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- From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: J Price answers only the easy questions
- Date: 22 Nov 92 22:12:05 +1030
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- In article <1992Nov17.170257.10999@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu
- (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
-
- Tags:
-
- JJP is the ever popular Jeffrey James Price,
- JJP1 is his reply to me, JJP2 is (the one this follows up) his reply to Lynn.
-
- LA is Lynn Alford, lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (LYNN ALFORD)
-
- TE is myself, The Eidolon, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)
-
- TE> So, it's OK to kill unwanted puppies but not unwanted fetus's just
- TE> because a dog isn't a human? Are you implying that humans are in some
- TE> absolute way that humans are superior to all other animals?
-
- JJP1> I don't think it is OK to kill any animal (insects excluded) but one thing I
- JJP1> have noticed is that talking to someone and you talk to them about getting
- JJP1> a little puppy put to sleep will elicit more of an emotional response then
- JJP1> talking about abortion. Is a puppy any more important than a baby.
-
- LA> Not that this is in any way truly related to abortion, but do you think
- LA> this is the excuse so many people use when they just abandon their cat or
- LA> dog by the roadside? That it is too cruel to put them to sleep? In which
-
- JJP2> Yes I do.
-
- You and your ideals are going to destroy the planet. Come out of your
- quaint little dreamworld before you cause too much damage. We do not
- have enough resources to go around for all the accidental people in the
- world. In some places there isn't enough for those who aren't accidental,
- even in the west.
-
- LA> case, they are ignoring entirely the fact that they are most likely
- LA> exchanging a quick painless death for one of slow starvation. Or perhaps
- LA> the animal does learn to hunt, creating even more havoc among the native
- LA> wildlife whch is having a difficult time because of loss of habitat.
-
- Strangely, we have no comment from Mr Price...
-
- LA> By the way, who is killing babies? Abortion removes a fetus, which may be
- LA> alive, but isn't the same as a baby.
- LA> Anyone who has an abortion kills a baby.(where did I mention killing babies but
- LA> I answered the question.
-
- JJP2> Have you ever heard a pregnant woman mention that her fetus is kicking or when
- JJP2> she talks about her pregnancy how many times does she say fetus instead of
- JJP2> baby? What is the difference between a fetus and baby?
-
- In the case mentioned she wanted to have a baby. We are talking about
- the case when she DOES not want to have a baby.
- The answer to your question is that a baby has been born, a fetus hasn't.
- Gee, I thought it was easy.
-
- TE> Time and time again you do not answer the question:
- TE> A woman has taken EVERY precaution she can, condom, spermicide, pill,
- TE> the works. She has indicated from the very start that she does NOT
- TE> want that pregnancy. By some cruel twist of fate, she gets pregnant.
- TE> Should she or should she not get an abortion?
-
- JJP1> She should not! She indicated from the very start that she knows sex can
- JJP1> result in a pregnancy and that she has thought of this. She should have
- JJP1> thought about that small case in which she did get pregnant. She should be
- JJP1> prepared to deal with the child.
-
- LA> Ok, Jeff, let's get down to cases. I had a friend who is married. She was
- LA> on the Pill, because she didn't want to be pregnant. Now you say that if
- LA> this married woman, had sex with her husband, then she must bring any
- LA> pregnancy to term?
-
- JJP2> YESSSSS!!!!!! (sorry fo caps)
-
- More idealistic crap. You really are living in a dreamworld entirely
- on your own.
-
- LA> Well, there is a small problem in this case. This person is trying to
- LA> avoid children for good reason. She was on several medications for major
- LA> allergies and for chronic depression. Now, before getting pregnant, she
- LA> should be off these drugs for a couple of months, to avoid any potential
- LA> fetal damage (read possible minor to major birth defects.) If she did get
- LA> pregnant due to birth control failure, she was going to have an abortion,
- LA> because it was very unlikely that she would have a healthy baby.
-
- JJP2> She knew there was a chance and she took and messed up PAY THE PRICE !!!
-
- We all know that Mr Price is mysoginist (sp?). 'How dare she have sex'
- again in true Catholic style...
-
- JJP2> It was unlikely she would get pregnant but she did it is unlikely she
- JJP2> will have a healthy baby but she might.
-
- 'She might'. You sadistic bastard. You don't care what kind of quality
- of life the child is likely to recieve as long as that wonderful God-given
- life is born, right!? Excuse me whilst I throw up...
-
- JJP2> Please quit spouting minority cases at me I can think of exceptions all day
- JJP2> long but lets deal with the majority.
-
- Jeff, the minorities are those that make the biggest news. Ban them and
- the noise would become deafening so quick you wouldn't know what the
- hell happened. You cannot ignore them.
-
- LA> Now, would you force this woman to continue an unplanned pregnancy?
-
- JJP2> Yes..
-
- Screw the child's condition, as long as it's born?? You really are a
- heartless bastard, more interested in your precious ideals than actual
- situations.
-
- LA> Knowing that it was very likely that any baby would have some sort of birth
- LA> defect due to medication the mother was taking?
-
- JJP2> Is There a question mark here for a reason.
-
- Not withstanding Lynn's grammar, your comprehension skills are hopeless.
- It was a continuation of the question. Now, answer:
-
- LA> Now, would you force this woman to continue an unplanned pregnancy?
- LA> Knowing that it was very likely that any baby would have some sort of birth
- LA> defect due to medication the mother was taking?
-
- Get it now, Jeff?
-
- (LA, things might have changed for example used)
-
- TE> Answer the question: What if she is forced to change her mind because
- TE> of reasons not under her control?
-
- JJP1> Have the baby because she purposely brought it into the world.
-
- LA> People using birth control are *not* purposely bringing any offspring into
- LA> the world. They are trying to avoid offspring. Why force them to have
- LA> children they aren't prepared for?
-
- Sorry Lynn, but that wasn't what was asked, it was if she wanted it first
- but then had a drastic change in circumstances. I'll let you finish this
- one off.
-
- LA> I answered your question but I will answer a quetion about my reply I don't
- LA> understand
-
- ??
-
- JJP2> Who knows? but try looking in Space..oops I mean your head its the
- JJP2> same thing.
-
- (referring to Lynn's disclaimer)
-
- Tsk tsk tsk. Lets see if you apologise for this. I could quote one
- Mr Matheson, but he'd chuck a fit seeing as he hasn't followed up
- my post....
-
- JJP2> OK I answered all the questions (somewhat rudely) but I answered them.
-
- Get serious.
-
- JJP2> I am getting bogged down in school ocassionally I will pop in and give my
- JJP2> 2cents worth.
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