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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Jim, the chastity belt theory, and me, Part 1
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.002829.17328@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Nov17.215527.23123@panix.com> <32840@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> <32847@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:28:29 GMT
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- In article <32847@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov17.215527.23123@panix.com> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
- >writes in response to my complaint about the special burden that
- >forced pregnancy laws place on women:
- >
- >>People should be responsible for their sexual activity, as they are
- >>for their other activity. That responsibility includes the
- >>responsibility to foster and support rather than destroy the life that
- >>results from sexual activity. It is true that prohibition of abortion
- >>puts a special burden on women; however, since that burden results
- >>from the application of the same principle (responsibility for one's
- >>actions) to persons in different circumstances (persons who can and
- >>persons who can not become pregnant) I see no reason to view the
- >>special burden as unjust. Nor have you suggested a reason.
- >
- >I cannot believe that you can make the last statement with a straight
- >face. Scarce state resources should not be devoted to regulating the
- >use of one's body; a particularly injust use of these regulations are
- >laws on bodily autonomy that have a differential impact with regard to
- >demographic variables.
- >
- >>You seem to object to the view that one's obligations depend in part
- >>on one's circumstances. I don't understand the objection.
- >
- >If your forced pregnancy position had an effect that corresponded only
- >with behavior, then I would support it. However, it is quite possible
- >to engage in the behavior that you want to regulate, i.e. `hold people
- >responsible for' using state resources, and suffer very different
- >consequences, not based on behavior but based on gender. Your
- >position is that sex --> consequences for both genders. However, this
- >equivalence does not stand up to scrutiny:
- >
- > Women: Financial support.
- > / Enforced bodily support.
- > Consequences
- >Sex --> pregnancy --> of Forced Birth
- > Policy
- > \
- > Men: Financial support.
- >
- >So despite your claim that the law is aimed at behavior, we see that
- >consequence of the law is to impose the burden of financial support on
- >both genders. Unfortunately, the burden of bodily support can be
- >traced uniquely to the gender: Both men and women must have sex in
- >order for a /z/e/f/ to be formed. However, the punishment you would
- >prescribe for this behavior is grossly unequal. Among the
- >consequences that would fall uniquely on women are the following: (1)
- >diminished earnings power, including lost work time and damage to
- >workforce progression, (2) higher mortality than early term abortion,
- >(3) enhanced risks of serious health damage, and (4) psychological
- >trauma of being forced to have your body occupied by an entity that
- >you do not wish to have there. You may claim that you really are
- >gender neutral despite these obvious differences in effect of the law
- >you advocate. In this face of this discriminatory effect, I find the
- >behavior of supporting such laws as a pretty serious threat to equal
- >treatment under the law.
-
- I find this a particularly non-fruitful line of argument. The most you
- can hope for, Stephen, is to convince Jim that men should chip in enough
- EXTRA support after the fact to compensate women fairly for the consequences
- of their pregnancies. A few dozen $K, perhaps, spread out over 18+ years.
-
- Why should this necessarily have any effect on his pro-life stance?
-
- - Kevin
-