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- Subject: Re: Some Pro-life...conclusions?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.052830.28305@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
- Date: 21 Nov 92 05:28:30 GMT
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- From article <3169@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, by joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays):
- > In article <1992Nov20.032352.9297@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- > sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
- >>From article <3159@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, by joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
- >>(Joseph F. Mays):
- >>> Sometimes abortions fail and children get born. This shows that
- >>> abortion is wrong.
- >>>
- >>> Sometimes contraceptives fail and children get born. This shows that
- >>> contraceptives are wrong.
- >>>
- >>> Sometimes people fail at abstinence and children get born. This shows
- >>> that abstinence is wrong.
- >
- >>Sometimes people fail at using twisted logic to make a point. This
- >>shows that the quality of the original assertion has everything to
- >>do with the success of the argument. It might not be wrong, but it
- >>sure does make the poster look silly...
- >
- > And sometimes people fail to use logic at all. I have seen the first
- > statement presented as an attempt to dissuade people from getting
- > an abortion. I see no logical difference between the first,
- > second and third statement. What difference do you perceive between
- > these statements?
-
- OK, so at best you have illustrated the potential logical fallacies
- resulting from asserting:
- "Sometimes abortions fail and children get born. This shows that
- abortion is wrong."
- The paper tiger is dead. My mistake was assuming that you were
- attempting to make a point with general relevance.
-
- But it was fun, so here's another one:
-
- Sometimes children, who could have been aborted as fetuses, are
- abused or neglected. This shows that abortion is right.
- Maybe it even shows that sometimes abortion should be
- mandated.
-
- Sometimes children, who could have been quietly killed at age
- 6 weeks, are abused or neglected. This shows that killing
- 6-week-olds is right. Maybe it even shows that sometimes
- this killing should be mandated.
-
- Sometimes children, who could have been used in lethality testing
- of potential pharmaceutical products, are abused or neglected.
- This shows that using children as experimental toxicity
- subjects is right. Maybe it even shows that sometimes such
- use of children should be mandated.
-
- I've heard the first statement used as justification for abortion
- in general. I've never heard your first statement, but I admit
- you have a case against it.
-
- > Perhaps I am being silly. I would suggest that you show how I am
- > being silly, rather than simply assert it.
-
- --
-
- Steve Matheson Program in Neuroscience University of Arizona
- sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
-