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- From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
- Subject: Re: Holtsinger on Harassment & Health
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:33:20 GMT
- References: <lefty-111192095520@lefty.apple.com> <nyikos.721969112@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1992Nov17.154519.14631@pwcs.stpaul.gov> <1992Nov20.180206.10818@rotag.mi.org>
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- In article <1992Nov20.180206.10818@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin
- Darcy) wrote:
- >
- > In article <1992Nov17.154519.14631@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- > >
- > >I find it quite repugnant, Peter, that you would attempt to deflect well-
- > >deserved flames away from Darcy. He made several tasteless, tactless and
- > >mean-spirited posts about a t.a participant's SO's experience as a victim
- > >of child sex abuse.
- >
- > "...well-deserved flames..."
- >
- > Blatant assertion.
-
- Very nice. I picture you perched up on a stand, flapping your wings and
- squawking "Blatant assertion! Blatant assertion!" _Good_ parrot!
-
- As I've said previously, you got off easily with _only_ well-deserved
- flames. I suspect that many people, presented with your "behavior", would
- find it difficult to restrain themselves from pounding a stake through your
- heart and stuffing your mouth with garlic.
-
- > "He made several ..."
- >
- > Incorrect. The whole flamewar stemmed from a single post.
-
- The whole flame war _originated_ with a single post. This was followed up
- by a large number of explanations, denials, exegeses and exculpations on
- your part. Finally, you hawked up something that very vaguely resembled an
- apology, but smelled like something that had died in agony a month
- previously.
-
- > "...tasteless, tactless and mean-spirited..."
- >
- > Speculation presented as fact. My post attacked the spectacle of a
- > child molester bragging about his exploits.
-
- You claim that you _thought_ your post did this. What you in fact did was
- accuse a _victim_ of molestation of being himself a child molester. Your
- protestations to the contrary have been somewhat less than convincing.
-
- > I doubt that anyone would consider my behavior, placed in the context of
- > that interpretation, as "tasteless, tactless and mean-spirited".
-
- I doubt that anyone with more than two functioning neurons would consider
- it in any other way. This would seem to be supported by the large number
- decrying your posting as being _precisely_ "tasteless, tactless and
- mean-spirited", and the notable lack of people springing to your defense.
- Well, Steve Franklin did defend you, but he doesn't count.
-
- Not higher than five, anyway.
-
- > As it happened, my interpretation was incorrect. I have apologized for that
- > error. But error is not the same as malice, and the presence of malice in
- > this instance is purely a matter of speculation on Mr. Lyman's part.
-
- Your "apology" was only slight less disgusting than your original
- accusation. It is certainly clear from where _I_ happen to be standing
- that your accusation was based purely on malice. Would you care to deny,
- here and now, that you bear an animus towards Susan Garvin?
-
- > "...about a t.a participant's SO's experience..."
- >
- > Misleading. My article was posted exclusively to alt.flame, where it
- > was completely appropriate.
-
- You appear to be using the word "appropriate" in some sense with which I am
- unfamiliar. Would you consider accusing a rape victim of being a rapist
- "appropriate" in alt.flame? How about accusing a Jew of being a Nazi? How
- about calling a homosexual a homophobe?
-
- Oh, I guess we already know the answer to _that_ one, don't we?
-
- > The term "t.a participant" seems to insinuate that I inflicted the flames
- > on talk.abortion, when in fact the parties guilty of _that_ particular
- > offense have never owned up or apologized for their actions.
-
- It insinuates nothing of the sort. It means precisely what it says. Do
- you deny that Susan is a "t.a participant"? I think you ought to look up
- the definition of the word "participant". It doesn't mean what you seem to
- think it does.
-
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- Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
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