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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Subject: Re: Holtsinger on Harassment & Health
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.213628.7133@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:36:28 GMT
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- kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- > chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
-
- >> I find it quite repugnant, Peter, that you would attempt to deflect well-
- >> deserved flames away from Darcy. He made several tasteless, tactless and
- >> mean-spirited posts about a t.a participant's SO's experience as a victim
- >> of child sex abuse.
-
- >> "...well-deserved flames..."
-
- > Blatant assertion.
-
- In turn, a blatent assertion from someone who refuses to take responsibility
- for his actions.
-
- >> "He made several ..."
-
- > Incorrect. The whole flamewar stemmed from a single post.
-
- Incorrect yourself. You made 20-25 posts before you issued your sorry
- excuse for an apology. And many, many after that.
-
- >> "...tasteless, tactless and mean-spirited..."
-
- > Speculation presented as fact. My post attacked the spectacle of a
- > child molester bragging about his exploits. I doubt that anyone would
- > consider my behavior, placed in the context of that interpretation,
- > as "tasteless, tactless and mean-spirited". As it happened, my
- > interpretation was incorrect. I have apologized for that error. But
- > error is not the same as malice, and the presence of malice in this
- > instance is purely a matter of speculation on Mr. Lyman's part.
-
- Need I remind you, Darcy, that when Ms. Garvin's SO invited you to experience
- what he had experienced as a child, you replied, "No thank you, you are not
- to my taste," or words to that effect. That covers 'tasteless,' 'tactless,'
- and 'mean-spirited' pretty well, although there are many other examples. And
- what was really pathetic, Kebbin, is the way you dragged out the controversy
- for weeks trying to convince readers that it really wasn't your fault. Imo,
- your pathetic attempts to favor your own fragile self-image over the feelings
- and sensibilities of others show what anomie-stricken little puddle you are.
-
- >> "...about a t.a participant's SO's experience..."
-
- > Misleading. My article was posted exclusively to alt.flame, where it
- > was completely appropriate. The term "t.a participant" seems to
- > insinuate that I inflicted the flames on talk.abortion, when in fact
- > the parties guilty of _that_ particular offense have never owned up
- > or apologized for their actions.
-
- Misleading yourself, Kebbin. Are you saying that Susan Garvin is not a
- t.a participant? Here's a bone for you, Kebbin. The wise old saying goes:
- "Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity."
- Either you allowed a tiny, malicious animus loose on someone you openly
- dislike, or you are the most monumentally stupid creature ever to move
- about on two legs. Which is it, Kebbin?
-
- --
- Chris Lyman / email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov / standard disclaimers
- "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
- character, give him power." -- Abraham Lincoln
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