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- From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion on demand throughout pregnancy
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.193637.10926@ncsu.edu>
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- Organization: North Carolina State University
- References: <1992Nov12.213408.3653@pwcs.stpaul.gov> <1992Nov20.005417.9449@ncsu.edu> <1992Nov20.162934.1161@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:36:37 GMT
- Lines: 67
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- In article <1992Nov20.162934.1161@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
- chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >>> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >>>> Why hasn't anyone addressed the documentation which I have
- >>>> provided showing that Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion-
- >>>> on-demand?
-
- >>> There were about a half-dozen refutations of your sources last summer, Doug.
- >>> J. Greenfield in particular showed how the meaning of the texts you quoted
- >>> changed completely when restored to their contexts.
-
- >> I remember Jeff Greenfield as being the only person who attempted to
- >> address my sources. None of my sources had been taken out of context.
- >> Jeff Greenfield made that accusation because he knew he had lost the
- >> argument, and he was getting desperate. He couldn't debate me without
- >> slinging dirt.
-
- > Liar. Susan Garvin saved those posts, in case your memory needs refreshing.
- > I had them saved too, but deleted them before I realized that you'd become
- > trapped in endless recursion on this issue.
-
- So what? You saved a bunch of garbage. Jeff Greenfield didn't refute my
- sources. He ignored three of my sources, and he presented a single source
- in support of his argument from an author who has held conflicting views on
- Roe v. Wade. Face it, Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion-on-demand
- throughout pregnancy.
-
- >>>> Are you telling me that Kathyrn Kolbert, attorney for the ACLU
- >>>> in PP v. Casey, is a liar?
-
- >>> No, I am telling you that you are a liar.
-
- >> I'm simply quoting Kathyrn Kolbert, attorney for the ACLU. You're calling
- >> her a liar.
-
- > I wish I'd saved all the posts demonstrating your lack of reading skills.
- > First you had trouble discerning the difference between "want" and "deserve."
- > Now it's "you" and "Kathyrn Kolbert."
-
- But when I quote Kathyrn Kolbert, how can you call me a liar? I'm quoting
- her, right? So how can I be lying? Tell us how that works.
-
- >>>> Remember, these people support abortion rights, and they say that women
- >>>> can obtain abortions during the third trimester for very broadly defined
- >>>> ``health'' reasons.
-
- >>> Indeed. It's been pointed out before that less than 100 abortions are
- >>> performed in the U.S. after the 24th week. The source of that tidbit of
- >>> information is the Alan Guttmacher Institute.
-
- >> There are several thousand abortions performed annually after the 21st week
- >> of pregnancy (viability starts at around the 22nd to 23rd week).
-
- > Viability in how many cases?
-
- Why does that matter to you? How many post-viability abortions must
- be performed before you would support restrictions on abortion? Give
- me a number.
-
- >Chris Lyman
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-
-