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- From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
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- Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:01:21 GMT
- Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
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- In article <1992Nov18.114132.24504@panix.com> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
- :In <1992Nov18.042617.9925@panix.com> jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold) writes:
- :>If you think rape and sex are the same, you're dumber than a rock....
-
- :Could you explain at more length? Maybe a couple of examples would help:
- :
- :1. Tom surprises Mary in her apartment and forces her to lie still
- :while he takes a throat swab and a blood sample, and then takes her
- :temperature with an oral fever thermometer. Mary struggles because
- :she thinks Tom's crazy and doesn't know what he'll do.
-
- Tom _is_ crazy. Tom "surprises" Mary and takes a blood sample? I hope Mary
- surprises Tom in return by producing a large kitchen knife.
-
- :2. Tom surprises Mary in her apartment and forces her to lie still
- :while he rapes her. Mary struggles because she doesn't want to be
- :raped.
- :
- :It seems to me that from the standpoint of pure physical violence
- :there's not necessarily anything to distinguish the acts.
- :Nonetheless, the latter is a more serious crime. It seems to me that
- :the reason it is more serious is the sexual element -- the forced sex
- :is felt to be a violation of Mary's personality in a way that the
- :forced medical examination is not. Do you agree?
-
- No.
-
- (a) Case 2 sounds more violent.
- (b) Tom may as well be raping her anally with the thermometer in (2), so
- where's the sexual element?
- (c) I have no problem classifying (1) as rape, too.
-
- :If not, what's your explanation for the fact that rape is a
- :separately-defined crime? I'm very much interested in your views,
- :because you seem to devoted considerable thought to the matter.
-
- I haven't thought about it much at all.
-
- :Jim Kalb (jk@panix.com)
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