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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: ProChoice Question
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:39:52 -0800
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- In article <1992Nov20.113358.2759@panix.com> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
- >In <1egf8iINNk3t@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov18.193320.20408@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
- >>>I have a simple question for pro-choicers:
- >>> You say you have the "Right to Choose". Who is the
- >>> authority that grants you this right?
- >>The highest authority that exists: Ourselves.
- >I take it you mean ourselves individually rather than collectively --
- >you don't think your "right to choose" depends on any decision our
- >society makes. For example, you don't think it could legitimately be
- >taken away by legislation. Am I right?
-
- Well, I don't know why you'd make that stupid assumption, unless it was
- to (falsely) attempt to prove a point....
-
- Collectively, individuals comprise a social grouping (presuming they are
- cooperating together and not merely inhabiting connected turf). Within
- a social grouping, individuals collectively determine what 'rules' will
- make the grouping successful along certain measures -- economic measures,
- contentment measures, survival measures, etc.
-
- In *our* society, we got together and took a look at the nature of humans
- and decided it didn't make much sense for us to collectively agree not to
- think, not to speak, not to believe different things, because that's a kinda
- worthless exercise, so we decided that we'd recognise the freedom of indi-
- viduals to think, speak, and believe, in addition to some others, in our
- form of government.
-
- The *right* to use one's body as one chooses is a right recognised by our
- government. It is a right EXERCISED by and individual, which is where you
- got tangled up.
-
- >Does that view even make sense? "Authority" means something you are
- >bound by. What sense does it make to say you are bound by yourself?
-
- "AUTHORITY", you will note, is the false paradigm you introduced into
- the initial question. And it has been pointed out that "authority grants"
- is a mistaken way to look at it.
-
- There *is* no authority beyond the will of the people. Collective AND
- individual.
-
- Adrienne Regard
-
-