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- From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
- Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.131057.980@lclark.edu>
- Keywords: You expect me to mark my deletions? Dream on...
- Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
- References: <1992Nov19.081823.17677@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <1992Nov19.195641.26460@panix.com> <1ehm2iINNid0@gap.caltech.edu>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:10:57 GMT
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- In article <1ehm2iINNid0@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
- >
- >>In <1992Nov19.081823.17677@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:
- >
- >>>In article <1992Nov18.010714.1505@panix.com> jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
- >>>>
- >>>>What can you possibly mean by saying that rape has nothing to do with
- >>>>sex? The contrary is true as a simple matter of definition.
- >>>
- >>>Jim, it continues to be a simple matter of definition the other way.
- >>>How do you define sex?
- >
- >>I'm somewhat lost here. I thought rape=sex+force by definition. How
- >>else can it be distinguished from other forms of assault?
- >
- >>As far as defining "sex" goes, I'm not sure that it can be given a
- >>very succinct definition. Dictionary definitions include "the sum of
- >>the structural, functional and behavioral peculiarities of living
- >>beings that subserve reproduction by two interacting parents and
- >>distinguish males and females" and "sexually motivated phenomena". In
- >>connection with defining rape, the latter definition seems the more
- >>pertinent.
- >
- >That's exactly the point. Rape is *not* sexually motivated.
- >Rape is motivated by violence and intimidation. That's why
- >little children and old women get raped.
- >
- >I suggest that the difference between rape and other forms of
- >assault is largely an arbitrary one.
- >
- > -- Michal
-
-
- Before I get flamed I would like to first say that Rape is vile and
- violent.
-
- For the longest time I have believed that Rape had nothing to do with
- sex. This belief made a lot of sense.
-
- Now I do have an idea to bring forth though......and I will explain
- where I am coming from when I finish.
-
- Men assualt more men, men kill more men. These are violent acts. Killing
- is the most violent act there is. So why don't men rape men more? I mean
- if it were truly an act of dominance of force then wouldn't men rape men? It
- just seems like rape would be just as horrible for a man (I am Gay so I am
- not talking about man on man sex). So why aren't these violent men, who
- kill and assualt men, also raping them?
-
- I believe it is because most men aren't sexual towards other men.
-
- I believe that we should allow a little sexuality, a little hormonal
- difference in to our discusions about men and our behaviors because
- they are a part of us. And I beleive that these things are important because
- they are part of what make us different from women....good and bad....
-
- Bil Snodgrass III
-
- No I don't buy into the dogma of mainstream society. I question everything
- so I can search for answers....not blame.
-