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- From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,soc.women,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
- Subject: Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion on demand throughout pregnancy
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.005417.9449@ncsu.edu>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 00:54:17 GMT
- References: <1992Nov12.213408.3653@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
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- Followup-To: talk.abortion
- Organization: North Carolina State University
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- In article <1992Nov12.213408.3653@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
- chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >> Why hasn't anyone addressed the documentation which I have
- >> provided showing that Roe v. Wade is unrestricted abortion-
- >> on-demand? I've provided sources from the Alan Guttmacher
- >> Institute, an ACLU attorney who argued in PP v. Casey,
- >> a respected Georgetown University law professor, and
- >> an article written in the Harvard Civil Rights-Civil Liberties
- >> Law Review. Not one person has refuted any of these sources.
-
- > There were about a half-dozen refutations of your sources last summer, Doug.
- > J. Greenfield in particular showed how the meaning of the texts you quoted
- > changed completely when restored to their contexts.
-
- I remember Jeff Greenfield as being the only person who attempted to
- address my sources. None of my sources had been taken out of context.
- Jeff Greenfield made that accusation because he knew he had lost the
- argument, and he was getting desperate. He couldn't debate me without
- slinging dirt.
-
- > [--RvW excerpt deleted--]
-
- >> Are you telling me that Kathyrn Kolbert, attorney for the ACLU
- >> in PP v. Casey, is a liar?
-
- > No, I am telling you that you are a liar.
-
- I'm simply quoting Kathyrn Kolbert, attorney for the ACLU. You're calling
- her a liar.
-
- >> Is the Alan Guttmacher Institute a pack of liars?
-
- > No, I am telling you that you are a liar.
-
- I'm simply quoting the Alan Guttmacher Institute. You're calling them
- a pack of liars.
-
- >> Remember, these people support abortion rights, and they say that women
- >> can obtain abortions during the third trimester for very broadly defined
- >> ``health'' reasons.
-
- > Indeed. It's been pointed out before that less than 100 abortions are
- > performed in the U.S. after the 24th week. The source of that tidbit of
- > information is the Alan Guttmacher Institute.
-
- There are several thousand abortions performed annually after the 21st week
- of pregnancy (viability starts at around the 22nd to 23rd week).
-
- > Are they a pack of liars, Doug?
-
- Not if that's the number of reported abortions which they received.
-
- >Chris Lyman
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-