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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,alt.dads-rights
- Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
- Date: 19 Nov 1992 08:24:35 -0800
- Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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- In article <5aiFuB1w165w@jimmc.chi.il.us> jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas) writes:
- >regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- > I believe it is you who has no idea what you're speaking of! You are
- > ignoring the fact that most of "US" men have been denied visitation
- > with absolutely no recourse! Call the police and ask them, they'll
- > say it's a matter between the two of you, but should I refuse to
- > hold up my end of the bargain, I go to jail, period, end of
- > discussion!
-
- On the contrary, Jim, I'm pretty well acquainted with what I'm talking
- about. I think instead that you are jumping to unwarrented conclusions.
- It's certainly a fact that many men are denied access to their children,
- and I happen to think that's a pretty gawdawful thing. But I don't think
- it has anything to do with the legal justifications for abortion. I
- also recognise that many parents don't pay their court-ordered child
- support, and I think that's pretty gawdawful. But it doesn't have anything
- to do with the legal justifications for abortion, either.
-
- >> >This is unequal, wrong, and has nothing to do with "privacy". It has
- >> >everything to do with making men a walking wallet. It is time that this
- >> >is stopped - permanently.
- >> Which *again* ignores the woman's financial contribution!
- > F.Y.I. my ex-$#@$% makes NO financial contribution at all she refuses
- > to get a job and stays in the house I bought, and married a guy who
- > got her pregnant again so now he's on the hook for this and the future
- > kids, and she just lives off the support money, good scam, support
- > moms, kinda like welfare moms, only more vindictive!!!
-
- As I've said, we all know of anecdotal evidence, but most of us are aware
- of anecdotal evidence for *both* sides of the issue. I'm sure you know of
- some deserving parent who DOES do their best toward their children and
- doesn't receive court-ordered child support. Think about it.
-
- While I can understand the personal anger and frustration individuals have
- with their situations (bear in mind, Jim, that I probably have *my* own
- anger and frustration about my own situations, too), I don't think that
- one's personal anger and frustration makes good law.
-
- > Most support mothers don't have any of their own, they live off the
- > very thing they hate the most, men!!!
-
- Jim. Do you have any evidence of your claim that "most support mothers"
- don't have money of their own? That they live off the support that is
- designated to support the child and that they hate men?
-
- Adrienne Regard
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