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- From: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,alt.dads-rights
- Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
- Message-ID: <5aiFuB1w165w@jimmc.chi.il.us>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 09:45:51 GMT
- References: <1e9108INNlmu@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
- Reply-To: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
- Organization: Prime Time Productions Aurora, Illinois
- Lines: 99
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- regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
-
- > In article <BxsMAv.93I@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) wri
- >
- > >I suppose then that you won't mind if all of us men who see it as terribly
- > >unequal that women can choose AFTER sex whether or not to have a child,
- > >while we cannot, make damn sure you LOSE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
- >
- > Ah, here's another one, Will.
- >
- > This fellow isn't out to equalize the situation between parents. He's out
- > to take away a woman's bodily autonomy because he can't get a legal 'out'
- > to a biological reality.
-
- I would never tamper with a woman's right to choose!! She can choose
- all she wants, but why should that decision not allow the man to opt
- out of parenthood before the birth as well!
-
- > Do you really think this argument is about male choice, Will? Maybe in
- > alt.dads_rights, but not in talk.abortion.
- >
- > >Support reproductive rights for all, or none. But don't be a hypocrite and
- > >try to play the "I'm a woman and its my body" game and then turn around and
- > >say that a man's choice ends when he pulls down his zipper.
- >
- > "reproductive rights for all" completely ignores the biological reality of
- > gestation, which is the only justification for abortion.
-
- I believe it is you who has no idea what you're speaking of! You are
- ignoring the fact that most of "US" men have been denied visitation
- with absolutely no recourse! Call the police and ask them, they'll
- say it's a matter between the two of you, but should I refuse to
- hold up my end of the bargain, I go to jail, period, end of
- discussion!
-
-
- > So, "ignore a woman's rights" == "reproductive rights for all"? I don't
- > think so.
- >
- > >This is unequal, wrong, and has nothing to do with "privacy". It has
- > >everything to do with making men a walking wallet. It is time that this
- > >is stopped - permanently.
- >
- > Which *again* ignores the woman's financial contribution!
-
- F.Y.I. my ex-$#@$% makes NO financial contribution at all she refuses
- to get a job and stays in the house I bought, and married a guy who
- got her pregnant again so now he's on the hook for this and the future
- kids, and she just lives off the support money, good scam, support
- moms, kinda like welfare moms, only more vindictive!!!
- >
- > AGAIN.
- >
- > You people who constantly make the mistake of ignoring the woman's financial
- > contribution are going to be constantly IN ERROR by setting up a false
- > dichotomy,
- >
- > and are going to get precisely NO WHERE in affecting change!!!!!!!
-
- I don't think so, change will be effected in the upcoming legislative
- session and if you don't believe me, watch the dust of lawyers for
- effective change, they all pay support and have the statistics, and
- WILL, repeat WILL get an investigation into the responsibility, with
- no authority issue!
-
- > A woman's wallet AND a man's wallet play into the game.
- >
- > A woman's body is the only body involved.
- >
- > GET IT RIGHT!!!
-
- Really, she can have casual sex have a child and sue for support,
- it's the best scam yet have three kids and no job you get support
- from 3 men, just in case one is late, plus welfare and food stamps
- cause you ain't got no job!!!!
- Investigate this Geraldo!!!
-
- > >Women - you're on notice. You want equality? Fine.
- >
- > Fine my ass. You can't even see that her contribution not only equals the
- > man in the eyes of the law, but significantly exceeds it and it is on hte
- > basis of the PHYSICAL reality of pregnancy that she retains a rigth to
- > abort. It has zip, nada nothing to do with money.
- >
- > Yet another example of the INVISIBLE woman, only this time it's her money
- > that is rendered invisible. We take here in this spurious argument to
- > equating her PHYSICAL SELF with a man's wallet. Sheeeesh.
-
- Most support mothers don't have any of their own, they live off the
- very thing they hate the most, men!!!
-
- > Adrienne Regard
-
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