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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: DID BUSH KILL HIS CHANCES BY NOT ATTACKING FOCA?
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: na
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:27:20 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.212720.21716@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- Summary: Let's see if we can raise that level
- References: <1eatrrINNong@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <phil.722110508@seidel>
- Lines: 69
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- In article <phil.722110508@seidel>, phil@seidel.ucsb.edu (Philip Papadopoulos) writes:
- > Since you have lowered the level of this conversation. I will
- > respond in kind:
-
- I'm not the one you were responding to. I do have something
- to say, however. But first, please leave attributions in.
- >
- > "Fuck all you want. Get as many abortions as you want. I don't give flying
- > fuck about people who want abortions on demand - at any time - for any
- > reason. -- Just don't ask me (a person who doesn't screw anything
- > that moves, and a taxpayer) to pay for it"
-
- Do your tax dollars go to pay for abortions? I was under the
- impression that this may be the case in California, and I don't
- know where you post from. Federal tax dollars do not pay for
- abortions except, I believe, for military personnel. Could
- you clarify why you believe your tax dollars pay for abortions?
-
- Also, if I read your statement correctly, you only screw
- things that don't move. I don't believe this is the correct
- forum for that discussion, but I'm willing to go along with
- it. I suggest you try screwing things that move. If, as I
- assume from your name, you are a male and, based strictly on
- the odds, heterosexual, I highly recommend you try women who
- move. Very enjoyable, believe me. I had a woman who hardly
- moved at all once (well, twice actually) and I didn't like
- it as much as the ones who moved. Sometimes they can move too
- much, which makes it more difficult to complete intromission
- ("Hello, intromission control? We have touchdown."), but on
- the whole I would say movement is better than no movement in these
- matters.
-
- > I can understand completely elective abortions (unhappy with
- > being pregnant, etc.) within the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. After that,
- > there better be a damn good reason for an abortion (i.e. amniocentisis reports
- > Down's syndrome, anencephaly, rape, incest, etc.). Women always claim that
- > "it's my body. I'll do with it what I want." This is absurd. Do you
- > not see drinking (to excess)or using illegal drugs while pregnant as
- > child abuse. There are no laws that make a crime to drink to excess while
- > the baby is in the womb. But hey, the second the kid is born, he/she
- > has "rights". Crazy isn't it. At some point, somebody must make a
- > decision as to when a childs life begins. Conception and birth
- > are the extremes. I would say that life begins when the fetus can be sustained
- > (even by aritificial means) outside the womb. Technology will keep
- > pushing that day closer and closer to conception. i
-
- First of all, you are basically agreeing with the rule of Roe v
- Wade, a highly pro-choice ruling. If that is the case, and you
- would say that you wouldn't approve legislation that restricts
- abortion prior to viability (the point at which the life of a
- fetus might be sustained outside the womb), then I have no
- quarrel with you.
-
- Now, what is the difference between an abortion at 10 weeks into
- gestation and an abortion at 12 weeks? By this I am seeking
- the underlying principle upon which you base your seemingly
- arbitrary number.
-
- > The writer of the above may be a reasonable abortion rights activist.
- > The ones who get the press are the extremists. I can stand those people
- > even less than I can stand the right wing religionist point of view
- > that all abortion is wrong.
-
- I have no quarrel with that either.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-
- Shake rattle and roll
-
-