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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Logic vs. Rhetoric (was: J'ACCUSE JOAN CAMPBELL (and dozens of others)
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- References: <1992Oct24.224724.24158@rotag.mi.org> <13886@pogo.wv.tek.com> <1992Nov06.232315.67382@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 18:13:29 GMT
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- In <1992Nov06.232315.67382@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
-
- >In <13886@pogo.wv.tek.com> daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) writes:
- >>In that particular case Mr Nyikos has bragged about how competent a debater
- >>he is, and Mr Margolis replied back that Mr Nyikos had shown no skill in
- >>debate at all:
-
- I don't recall talking about my debating skills. I hope Mr. Butler
- documented what he said in ways other than the following:
-
- >>>> I can run circles around most people when it comes to
- >>>> science and philosophy.
-
- As I explained in "The Genesis of this Whole Silly SAT Flap," I was NOT
- comparing myself to the average talk.abortion regular, but rather to the
- average Joe Blow, just as Eric Marsh, the self-appointed Dragon of
- Philosophy, was doing in the post to which I was following up. Of course,
- Larry Margolis deleted the context to make me look like a stuffed shirt.
-
- >>> You've certainly shown no sign of it; in fact, you've shown yourself
- >>> to be rather ignorant of logic and set theory.
- >> ^^^^^
- >>Mr Nyikos' reply to the accusation that he had shown no competence,
- >>was to list his credentials. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Larry Margolis never accused me of that. Had he done so, my reply would
- have been "So what? This is talk.abortion, not talk.set.theory or
- talk.logic." You have missed the significance of Larry's words "to be",
- or are you just playing along with his joke by pretending not to notice
- them?
-
- >> That is not a valid defense to his claim that he "can run
- >>circles around most people when it comes to science and philosophy," nor is it
- >>a valid rebuttal to the claims that he has "shown no sign of it" (especially
- >>in context of his use of fallacies).
-
- No fallacies were demonstrated. Larry has better things to do than to
- document his claims, such as documenting claims that he never made. :-)
-
- >> Now, in his place I would have challenged
- >>Mr Margolis for an example and thereby dealt with those accusations if that
- >>were possible, ...
-
- I have been doing just that with Dean Kaflowitz, but he just keeps
- brazening it out by repeating his accusations and adding to them
- ad nauseam without a speck of documentation.
-
- >In fact, I did give an example later on; for some reason Peter wasn't able
- >to deal with it. :-)
-
- Note the smiley. I leave it up to you to interpret what effect it
- has on the foregoing sentence.
-
- I've got better things to do with my time than reply to claims that
- are totally irrelevant to abortion. It is still fun to do it with
- Dean Kaflowitz; it ceased being fun with Larry Margolis and Chris Lyman
- a long time ago.
-
- Peter Ny.
-
-