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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: NBC News Blackout on Black Senatorial Candidate
- Message-ID: <nyikos.722017442@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Keywords: slavery, pro-life
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- References: <nyikos.720712856@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1992Nov8.015615.19813@Princeton.EDU> <nyikos.721595264@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <lg5julINNa1b@spim.mti.sgi.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 16:24:02 GMT
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- In <lg5julINNa1b@spim.mti.sgi.com> mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:
-
- >|>
- >|> >> The notion that slavery is wrong, that one human being
- >|> >> cannot have property in the life of another, is today a
- >|> >> fundamental tenet of the moral creed from which we Americans
- >|> >> derive our shared identity as a people. It is therefore a
- >|> >> basic tenet of our civic morality. If we abandon it, we
- >|> >> abandon ourselves. If we assert our freedom in a way that
- >|> >> violates it, we undermine the very doctrine that allows us
- >|> >> to legitimate that assertion. In short, we return to the
- >|> >> state of fundamental self-contradiction that made the
- >|> >> Civil War a tragic inevitability.
- >|>
- >This from the same people that brought you
- > "Hillary Clinton is a bad person because she believes children
- > should have legal rights."
-
- Do you regularly put your misrepresentations into quotation marks?
-
- I wonder if Susan Garvin can produce a misquote by Holtsinger that
- is one-tenth as reprehensible as the above.
-
- >So parents should have no control over a fetus, but they should have
- >ultimate control over a child.
-
- Wrong, bozo. Parents should not have life-and-death control over
- a fetus, but they should have *some* control over a child. And they
- do in connection with permission to have ears pierced, but not in respect
- to abortion in most states, South Carolina being a partial exception.
-
- Besides the usual judicial bypass clause, we also have a grandparent
- bypass clause and a "60+-days in loco parentis" bypass clause, plus
- a hidden loophole in cases of incest, where an uncle could drag a niece
- he got pregnant and have an abortion legally forced on her, without
- her parents' knowledge, much less consent. And an incestuous father
- could do the same to his daughter without the wife's knowledge or consent.
-
- Now THAT is more control than I would want a father to have over his
- daughter.
-
- What I say above is also directed at the following misrepresentation:
-
- >Or even closer, society should not tell
- >you how to raise your children, but they should tell you how to treat
- >your fetus.
-
- >But then again "religious consistency" is an oxymoron.
-
- Who said anything about religion? And what do you know about consis-
- tency anyway? Your remarks are about as inconsistent with what you are
- supposedly attacking as anything I've seen in talk.abortion. Even Linda
- Birmingham and Susan Garvin could learn from you. :-)
-
- Peter Ny.
-
-