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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: SJM caught in lie - Film at 11
- Organization: AT&T
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:12:06 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.131206.23916@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- Summary: Roger Williams posts a lie
- References: <BxuA5H.xI@access.digex.com>
- Lines: 56
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- In article <BxuA5H.xI@access.digex.com>, roger@access.digex.com (Roger Williams) writes:
- > In article <32561@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> Stephen J Mezias claimed
- >
- > "I wrote none of the above.."
- >
- > However, the truth is that he DID write the following sentence:
- >
- > "The law is whatever Petie wants it to be or thinks it should be."
- >
- > The thing that tipped me off was his use of "Petie". Most of his fellow
- > name-flamers use "Petey" or variants thereof. As far as I am aware, he's
- > the only person to use "Petie". According to the "Steve Chaney and Dennis
- > Hall both spell embarrass the same way so they must be the same person"
- > standard of proof held by the pro-choicers, this, in itself, is sufficient
- > to convict Mezias of being less than truthful. However, my own standard
- > is higher than that and I retreived the original article.
-
- Your claim about how it was determined that Stephen Chaney (he
- spells it with a "ph") was posting the Dennis Hall articles is
- false. In fact, the similarities in misspellings and posting
- style were noted, then the system administrator for the Dennis
- Hall account was contacted and asked if Stephen Chaney was the
- owner of the account. The system administrator confirmed that he
- was. Nothing definite was said and, my memory is a little fuzzy
- here, I don't think anyone claimed they were the same person until
- after it was confirmed by the system administrator. The similarities
- were far more numerous than the way one word was spelled, but
- nobody really stated that the Dennis Hall poster was Chaney
- until after proof, real honest to goodness proof, was obtained.
-
- By the way, Scott Roby got the proof first from the system
- administrator, but I confirmed this independently because I
- wasn't sure I should be following Scott's lead until I knew
- it was true on my own. I was nervous that I had supported
- Scott's statements regarding the system administrator based
- solely on Scott's word and the posting similarities. So I
- contacted the system administrator myself, explained what was
- going on, and asked him if he could confirm or deny what I had
- been told. He confirmed it.
-
- The standard of proof set by those who confirmed that Chaney was
- in fact posting as Hall is sufficiently high to demand a
- retraction of your slur on supporters of choice, who were
- careful and thoughtful in determining the facts. I might
- also note that while you accuse Mezias of dishonesty because
- he actually was the author of one sentence in the posting at
- issue, Chaney was practicing a deliberate deception in his
- Hall posts, claiming to be a supporter of choice and exhibiting
- all the worst characteristics that are so native to Chaney in
- an attempt to discredit the pro-choice position. One might
- slur all pro-life supporters based on this deliberate
- deception, as you have tried to slur all pro-choice supporters
- with your remarks, but then I have a little more character
- than that, and my standards are higher.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-