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- From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Pro-Choice Criteria for Personhood
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.022531.3666@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 02:25:31 GMT
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- From article <BxqCyB.K5A@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
- by parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker):
- > sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
- >
- >>Here's a thought: Recall the film "Awakenings". Does this sort of
- >>situation create intolerable problems with defining personhood?
- >>Shall those whose brain function appears to be indefinitely suspended
- >>be stripped of their rights as humans? Do they regain their rights
- >>the day they regain "consciousness"? BTW, in the preceding sentence,
- >>should the '?' be inside or outside the ""? :-)
- >
- > Well, I haven't seen that film, but to answer your question(s)...
-
- Thanks for answering my questions. This has the makings of an
- interesting discussion, as long as the bickering juveniles don't
- get wind of it...
-
- > A person whose brain function *is* indefinitely suspended is not
- > a "person" at that time.
-
- Please tell me why I should believe this. It's not intuitive or
- obvious *to me*, and at present I believe the opposite. Are you
- arguing from a legal standpoint? A philosophical or ethical one?
- Or do you just think that the issue is self-evident?
-
- > (whether or not we know about it for sure is another matter)
-
- I agree. But it's a relevant matter, at least in the practice
- of defining - and therefore granting and revoking - personhood
- and the rights attached to it.
-
- > When their brain function is restored they are again a "person".
- > (BTW, humans don't have rights, *people* have rights.
-
- Again, I need some help here. Is this your opinion, something
- that you feel is self-evident? Or can you show me some reason to
- accept this as a norm of legal and/or moral thought?
-
- > A coma patient is still a human even though he/she may not be a
- > "person" at the time.)
- > In the mean time, most of their "rights" would be transfered to a
- > caring relative instead. ie, the coma patient doesn't have a right
- > to live (if brain function is truly suspended),
- > but the *relative* has a right to insist that the patient be kept
- > alive in the hope that brain function would resume in the future.
- >
- > Legally, rights over property are given to someone else in such a
- > situation-- typically a relative or an attourney--so we already accept
- > this sort of thing.
-
- Hmm. I think you're referring to power of attorney, and it seems
- that this could be viewed as acting as the incapacitated person's
- representative, exercising their rights for them, but not "possessing"
- that person's rights. I would argue that the "caring relative"
- described above merely provides a voice for a person who cannot
- speak.
-
- The Declaration of Independence refers to certain rights as
- "inalienable". According to Webster, this means "that may not be
- taken away or transferred." That's what I believe about the
- rights of people.
-
- > -Rob
-
- --
-
- Steve Matheson Program in Neuroscience University of Arizona
- sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
-