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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,alt.dads-rights
- Subject: Re: Biological Reasons fo
- Date: 16 Nov 1992 12:40:39 -0800
- Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
- Lines: 58
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- References: <1992Nov15.182630.21953@rotag.mi.org> <1992Nov15.171529.5616@desire.wright.edu> <BxsMAv.93I@ddsw1.mcs.com>
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- In article <BxsMAv.93I@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
-
- >I suppose then that you won't mind if all of us men who see it as terribly
- >unequal that women can choose AFTER sex whether or not to have a child,
- >while we cannot, make damn sure you LOSE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
-
- Ah, here's another one, Will.
-
- This fellow isn't out to equalize the situation between parents. He's out
- to take away a woman's bodily autonomy because he can't get a legal 'out'
- to a biological reality.
-
- Do you really think this argument is about male choice, Will? Maybe in
- alt.dads_rights, but not in talk.abortion.
-
- >Support reproductive rights for all, or none. But don't be a hypocrite and
- >try to play the "I'm a woman and its my body" game and then turn around and
- >say that a man's choice ends when he pulls down his zipper.
-
- "reproductive rights for all" completely ignores the biological reality of
- gestation, which is the only justification for abortion.
-
- So, "ignore a woman's rights" == "reproductive rights for all"? I don't
- think so.
-
- >This is unequal, wrong, and has nothing to do with "privacy". It has
- >everything to do with making men a walking wallet. It is time that this
- >is stopped - permanently.
-
- Which *again* ignores the woman's financial contribution!
-
- AGAIN.
-
- You people who constantly make the mistake of ignoring the woman's financial
- contribution are going to be constantly IN ERROR by setting up a false
- dichotomy,
-
- and are going to get precisely NO WHERE in affecting change!!!!!!!
-
- A woman's wallet AND a man's wallet play into the game.
-
- A woman's body is the only body involved.
-
- GET IT RIGHT!!!
-
- >Women - you're on notice. You want equality? Fine.
-
- Fine my ass. You can't even see that her contribution not only equals the
- man in the eyes of the law, but significantly exceeds it and it is on hte
- basis of the PHYSICAL reality of pregnancy that she retains a rigth to
- abort. It has zip, nada nothing to do with money.
-
- Yet another example of the INVISIBLE woman, only this time it's her money
- that is rendered invisible. We take here in this spurious argument to
- equating her PHYSICAL SELF with a man's wallet. Sheeeesh.
-
- Adrienne Regard
-
-