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- From: cookc@marcus.its.rpi.edu (rocker)
- Subject: Re: Quote from ME
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:05:28 GMT
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- jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
-
- >In <32628@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
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- >>A person has a right to refuse
- >>to have their bodies used for purposes to which they do not consent.
-
- >Where does this principle come from?
-
- I suspect that it's fairly universal.
-
- >Did anyone assert it before the
- >modern debate over abortion began in the 1960s?
-
- This does seem rather a silly question. I could give you quite a few
- examples....
-
- There were rape laws before the 1960s.
-
- The Vietnam "police action" was not the first armed conflict to which
- folk objected. There was quite a large US anti-draft movement in both
- WWI and WWII.
-
- >Why should anyone accept it?
-
- Now I'm confused, the answer seems quite basic here. Ummm, life,
- liberty, pursuit of happiness, all that? Perhaps I am unable to form
- a coherent supporting argument here because it seems so trivially
- obvious to me. (Doubtless, Amnesty International could do a better
- job than I in explaining it.) So, let's try approaching this from
- a different direction. Can you make an argument as to why anyone
- should accept that a person DOES NOT have a right to refuse
- to have their bodies used for purposes to which they do not consent?
-
- >On the issue of whether it is in fact accepted as a fundamental legal
- >principle in the United States, I believe that courts have upheld
- >compulsory vaccination and compulsory taking of blood samples and the
- >like for evidence in criminal cases.
-
- I would be quite surprised to hear of compulsory vaccination being
- upheld. (Unless this is related to being drafted into military service,
- which is a whole other violation.) My impression is that vaccination
- is required to attend public school, which is NOT required. (At least,
- I know of places in the US where it is not required.) I would be
- interested in hearing of compulsory blood samples, as it is my impression
- that that was voluntary (generally, the suspect consents to prove _innocence_,
- and I recall a capital case where it was repeatedly pointed out that the
- convicted man claiming innocence had repeatedly refused to undergo DNA
- testing).
-
- >Jim Kalb
-
- -rocker
-