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- From: mfc@medoc.aux.apple.com (Matt Caprile)
- Subject: Re: Sieur de la Forge
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- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.214732.5717@times.aux.apple.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:47:32 GMT
- References: <1992Nov12.223717.25628@u.washington.edu>
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- Keywords: CASAULT, Normandy
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- In article <1992Nov12.223717.25628@u.washington.edu> Richard Casault writes:
- >I'm trying to make sense of the words *Sieur de la Forge* following the
- >name of French ancestors, Francois CASAULT, born in 1645, and his son,
- >Jean-Baptiste CASAULT. It would appear to be his birth location, or
- >possibly a title. If a location it would be in the vicinity of St.-Pierre
- >Langers in Normandy, France. The question is, where? Is there still a
- >village/jurisdiction of the same name? If a title, what does it signify?
- >Master of the foundry?
-
- "Sieur de la Forge" would, litterally translated, mean "Lord of the
- Forge". "Sieur" was the old French word for "seigneur" (lord). In that
- time period, also used by bourgeois who had purchased a title (land
- that confered nobility), or by a local "landed gentry" (I can't think
- of a better term in English - "small country lord?")
-
- But litteral translations are not always correct - John Smith may not
- have been a blacksmith in 1645 either. Another possible interpretation
- would be that "la Forge" is a "lieu-dit" (hamlet). A small grouping
- of houses that is not a municipality in its own right (it's attached
- administratively to a town nearby), but which has its own name because
- that's what people have been calling it for 100's of years. "La Forge"
- might be where the first foundry (blanksmiths) in the area was. So it
- could be a "professional title" or a place name.
-
- It could actually be a name. "de la Salle" (who explored the North
- American continent) litterally means "of the room". But that's the
- family name, just as in the above example of John Smith. It may not
- have been related to any professional, or ownership, activity.
-
- I would guess that the next step would be to find someone in the area
- who could look for a hamlet of that name in the area, and/or to look
- thru local histories. If you understand French, you might write to the
- municipality (mairie) and askfor references to local history and/or
- local genealogical societies.
-
- Good luck -
- _matt.
-
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