NetNews Usenet Archive 1992 #27/NN_1992_27.iso/spool/soc/bi/15313

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>[e-mail] (Steven Conley) writes:
>[identifying himself as "Icky White Male at White Male Conspiracy"]

I was being a little sarcastic.

[stuff deleted]
>
>The argument you used was, in my view, white(ish), male(ish) and
>wrong(ish).  The last is not a consequence of the first two, but it is
>worthy of note that these characteristics are present in what you say.
>If you believe that either trend is not there, then we can talk more of
>our views of gender politics, race politics, and the dynamics of
>oppression (which was the original point, I think).  However you have
>not, as far as I have seen, made any claim that the connections are
>incorrect - merely that they are irrelevant.  Not so, I claim.  Do you
>have a response, or is "fuck you" all we get?  That, as we agreed, makes
>you liberated, but it doesn't help the discussion much.

I need to think about whether I want to get involved in this again or
not.  What I object to, however, is your assumption that my views are a
result of being a part of a cultural elite.  Being white and being male
does not necessarily make one part of the "White Male Monopoly" (as you
called it).  And yes, for the record, I am a male of European descent.
But I am not, to the best of my knowledge, part of a priveleged class.  I
have had to suffer through quite a lot, and my views have been shaped by
necessity, not privelege.  And any "priveleges" I may actually have, I did
not ask for.

Please explain why, in the context of the discussion we were having, how
my genetic characteristics are relevant.  And as I recall, we were _not_
discussing me or why I say what I say.  Also, you'll have to restate your
other points in that discussion.  I was very offended by your comment and
I do not remember the rest of what you said.

Steve Conley
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