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- From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
- Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
- In-Reply-To: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)'s message of 16 Nov 92 15:29:58 GMT
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- In article <BxtF1z.CtI@newcastle.ac.uk>, J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
- > crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
- > >I see sexuality as something to do/be, rather than something to hold political
- > >opinions about.
- >
- > I'm afraid if you believe it should be legal, that's a political opinion.
- > Everything is political. You can't escape having political opinions. That
- > isn't the same as being politically motivated.
-
- It *is* legal (more or less). I have liberal/permissive political opinions,
- sure, but I don't bring specifics into it - I wouldn't campaign
- *specifically* for liberal attitudes to sexuality, for example. I wouldn't
- campaign, full stop. My only campaignings have been a) League for
- Programming Freedom, because I don't see enough being done, and I got landed
- in it, b) stopping Cambridge Student Union expressing political opinions about
- the Gulf War. Ironically, the latter rather illustrates my stance on
- politicising LBG issues...
-
- > It's fine with me not to be politically motivated (if rather sad in this
- > sort of society), but to deny the importance of politics, I just can't
- > agree with.
-
- I don't deny it, I just seek to minimise it.
-
- > > OK, so there are prejudicial bits of legislation out there, but
- > >I know plenty of heterosexuals who dislike them just as much as lesbigays, but
- > >are put off by political hackery from supporting the cause.
- >
- > Are you saying we shouldn't dare take action against the prejudicial bits of
- > legislation in case it's seen as political hackery?
-
- "Action"? Deliberately seeking to confront people ("Kiss ins", tying pink
- balloons to lampposts, etc.) is something I resent, as I see it turning people
- off to lesbigay. Going through normal political channels, I don't mind, although
- I haven't the energy for.
-
- > Labelling any kind of political activism as hackery sounds to me like a
- > cop-out to excuse yourself from following your conscience and getting
- > involved. In any case there are other ways to be active besides what you
- > see as "hackery".
-
- I'll vote. I'll lend vocal or written support to total equality in law for
- non-heterosexuals. I'll support less restrictive laws on sexuality in general.
- Doing much more than that is not for me, and I certainly don't see that it's
- my responsibility to do it, any more than it's my responsibility to become an
- activist against any other legislation I dislike.
-
- Besides, governments don't listen to vocal minorities. Going for genuine
- support and sympathy from a broad base in the population, rather than going at
- the government aggressively is more likely to be noticed.
-
- --Clive.
-