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- From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: "what other people think" (was Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals..
- Message-ID: <BxwrIo.L2L@newcastle.ac.uk>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 10:52:00 GMT
- References: <BxIH13.87t@ <1992Nov12.192346.24426@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <MU <1992Nov16.231919.23826@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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- sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley) writes:
-
- >muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >>sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley) writes:
- >>>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
- >>>>PC-speak might be stupid if we were all liberated, but we're not.
- >>>>What other people think about me does matter.
- >>
- >>>Then you will be oppressed by it as long as it matters to you. You've
- >>>guaranteed your own oppression. Have fun.
-
- >>What other people think *matters* because it translates into *action*.
- >>This can be positive or negative action, depending on what their
- >>thoughts are, but I assure you that people's thoughts *do* influence
- >>their actions, and their actions *can* affect other people.
- >
- >Context DROP! We were, as I recall, talking about whether it's okay
- >for Elf to dislike New Age Androgynous Bisexuals.
-
- No we were NOT. We were talking about whether it's okay for Elf to use this
- forum to slag off New Age Androgynous Bisexuals. I clearly stated that this
- was my objection to his article, for instance in <BxIH13.87t@newcastle.ac.uk>.
-
- > It was stated that
- >Elf's decision to dislike them amounted to oppression. I disagreed with
- >that.
-
- I stated that Elf's decision to air his prejudice against them in the
- bisexual newsgroup was a form of intellectual oppression. I didn't realise
- you were disagreeing with something I didn't state.
-
- > Elf did not say that they should be denied jobs, raped, or burned
- >at the stake. He said he did not enjoy their company.
-
- And admitted his prejudice against them as a group. It's the first step
- on a worrying road.
-
- >>Acknowledging that "what other people think" *can* and *does* affect
- >>your life is *NOT* the same as saying that your thoughts and feelings
- >>are always influenced by theirs.
- >
- >Agreed. But what I was saying was, if you let someone's negative
- >opinion of you oppress you, then you're just creating oppression for
- >yourself.
- >
- >There are no evil thoughts, only evil actions.
-
- Agreed, but expressing a thought in any way is an action in this sense.
-
-
- /jon
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