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- From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
- Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.034429.11116@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSO, Stanford University
- References: <1ebsuiINNqh9@cuda.add.itg.ti.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:44:29 GMT
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- winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
- : In article <1992Nov16.233755.24220@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Icky White Male) writes:
- : |>
- : |> So, with respect to all that, fuck you, I don't care what you think.
- :
- : Well said, IMO, and a good "period" to this anoying thread!
-
- Does that mean that you don't want this stuff discussed? Anyone is at
- liberty to say so, but it's worth being clear.
-
- : Am I white, too, people?!
-
- Well, if you're asking for my (Bayesian prior) estimate of the chances,
- I'd quote something like 90%, given the makeup of the net (on which I
- have no hard data - hence the subjectivitiy of the estimate). Modify
- that by what you've said (which affects your audience's estimate of you
- with each syllable you use, in an infinity of ways), and I might revise
- slightly to about 95% for my estimate. Do I care? Not really. Not
- unless you want to claim, in a discussion in which racial status has an
- interaction, that your racial type has no bearing on what you say.
-
- Note 1) it, your racial type, should have no bearing on the truth. It
- will, however, have bearing on how your opinions are viewed by any but
- the most credulous audiences.
- Note 2) please be advised that the above is not an attack on you in any
- way, shape or form. Please read it again if you think it is. None of
- the statements are comments on you as a person, apart from the attempt
- to answer your question.
-
- : Guess so.... since I agree with sconely.
-
- Agreeing with sconley does not make you white per se; indeed, the
- converse is clearly false, since I am white and I disagree with him on
- at least the point which led to this discussion. (Yes, I'm assuming for
- this that he is, in fact, white - I have no proof of that, but I suspect
- he might have denied it by now were it incorrect).
-
- Agreeing with sconley also does not make you unwelcome - even slightly.
- It doesn't even make you unusual; I don't think I disagree with him over
- very much outside this discussion, and that is probably true of many
- here. I don't think this need be a rancorous argument; if you feel the
- need to join in, please do. If you prefer to junk the thread, that's
- fine. Still, for what it's worth, I lost your demuffining in a recent
- accident, so I'll offer hugs to you in welcome. Acceptance is, of
- course, at your discretion. Hugs from me may well be conditional on
- your coherence and lack of obnoxiousness, but they are most certainly
- not conditional on your race.
-
- Mike
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