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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
- Date: 17 Nov 92 09:22:32
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- Message-ID: <MUFFY.92Nov17092232@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- References: <1992Nov13.192345.4639@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <iw.721938107@tosser>
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- <1992Nov17.031218.10818@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
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- In-reply-to: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu's message of 17 Nov 92 03:12:18 GMT
-
- In article <1992Nov17.031218.10818@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
- >rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) wrote...
- >>And then there's most of the heterosexuals in my circle of friends who seem
- >>to have absolutely no problem with queer PDAs.
- >>...
- >>Of course, I do live where I live ...
-
- >Yes Roy you live in Berkeley, where it is gauche to notice anything. :-)
- [...]
- >Realizing this is cool, because it means I can PDA as much as I feel
- >comfortable.
-
- *sigh*...while I live in San Francisco, where everyone feels free to
- insult me and my partner, of whatever gender (or perceived gender, since
- my male SO is taken for a woman several times a week). I have no
- respect for anyone who discriminates against me because of my
- orientation, whatever it appears to them to be at the time.
-
- This has really been emphasized with my SO, since we get it from both
- sides so frequently...it becomes really obvious how much the same it all
- is. Of course, it also becomes obvious how different the actual insults
- are. If we're insulted for being mixed-sex, it's just that - we should
- be ashamed of "flaunting" it or something. If we're insulted for being
- same-sex, there's usually a negative reference to *how* we have sex.
-
- Still, despite the numerous people who try to shore up their own
- self-esteem by criticizing us, we still manage to find dozens of friends
- like Roy's only more so, who don't have a problem with any PDAs. It's a
- good area.
-
- It's funny...I know a lot of people think that no one objects to
- mixed-sex PDAs, but I've always been very physically affectionate with
- my partners, and quite a lot of people have been critical, over the
- years, even when we're of an "approved" variety. I've noticed that this
- has been getting better in the straight community (I don't have enough
- data on the GL community to say, but it's still worse there, of course)
- over the last 10 years, with an apparent correlation with the acceptance
- (as far as I see it) of other (non-straight, non-vanilla) sexualities.
- This has led me to believe that the acceptance of sex in general is very
- much tied to the acceptance of all forms of sexuality. I think a lot of
- people view PDAs as "kinky" or "alternate"...*grin*.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
- ~Why don't you cool out/can it be so hard/to love yourself without
- thinking someone else holds a lower card/Grow up you/grow up me/
- grown together/free to be~ - Bruce Cockburn
-