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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Philosophy (was Altruism)
- Date: 16 Nov 92 11:14:34
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- In-reply-to: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 04:49:21 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.044921.25977@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
- >[...] but then decided that, while I was interested in 'searching
- >for the truth' [whatever that really means] and other common
- >philosophical quests, I wasn't that interested in getting into
- >the seemingly testosterone-laden logic fights ('my logic can beat
- >up your logic' type of thing). My question to those involved in
- >this thread is first: is this your experience? and second: why does
- >this happen? (Muffy, it sounds like your class is going beyond
- >western philosopy so maybe you haven't observed it in your class.)
-
- Well, first, yes, my class does not do that...*grin*. The teacher is
- really excellent, btw. He usually teaches out at San Francisco State,
- so anyone out there - if you want to take Philosphy, look for Mike
- Lunine as an instructor! He is a big fan of Gandhi. The class, besides
- being about "conscience" is about how ideas have gone back and forth
- between East and West; he definitely doesn't think that Philosophy
- begins and ends in the West.
-
- As for why it happens, I have an idea about that (hi, Mike! *grin*).
- The first step in teaching people philosophy is generally to give them
- at least a brief logic course. My first two philosophy courses were
- logic, which I really enjoyed. What they don't always do very well is
- to point out to people that a) logic is not all there is and b) people
- generally do not express their arguments logically, even if those
- arguments *could* be expressed logically. So, a lot of people with one
- or two logic classes behind them will rush out and use their new toy to
- attack people for their logic (or lack of same), not realizing (or
- perhaps caring) that the arguments in question could be restated
- logically and then addressed with logic. I guess it can be kind of fun
- to use logic as a weapon rather than a tool, but I think there's a lot
- beyond that. All of my professors have had sufficent experience to
- understand that logic is not a goal in itself, but a way to help find
- whatever it is you're looking for ("truth," perhaps...*smile*).
-
- One thing that is really fun with logic is to try to restate newspaper
- articles as logical discussions. It's amazing how much they slant them
- and how much necessary information they leave out.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
- ~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
- discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
- of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
-