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- From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts)
- Subject: Re: Lunar "colony" reality check, part 2
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:32:34 GMT
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- -From: szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo)
- -Subject: Lunar "colony" reality check, part 2
- -Date: 15 Nov 92 11:48:05 GMT
-
- -* Just as with Shuttle, astronauts will not be able to fix most
- - broken equipment. Most disabling breaks, no matter to how
- - small a part, will require an entire replacement unit to be
- - shipped from earth. Since the astronaut's very lives will
- - depend on recycling equipment, large numbers of spares will
- - have to be shipped on the first trip.
-
- A valid concern, and one I have posted before. What can be done to help
- alleviate the problem? Breaking designs up into smaller modules, and having
- as many identical modules as possible might help. Using initially identical
- but reconfigurable modules could also be useful. (Earthbound example: I just
- finished a circuit design in which a high percentage of the logic is in
- identical reprogrammable logic devices, each one programmed differently.
- By keeping a relatively small number of spares on hand, I could replace
- any of these devices that might fail. If for some reason I had no spares
- and really needed to use the circuit, I could cannibalize a component from
- a less-critical area, and use it to replace a failed device in a more-critical
- area.)
-
- As I posted long ago, I suspect a first mission would be likely to choose to
- start with a minimal set of spares, and hope to later build up a stock by
- periodic resupply. (Or they might send supplies ahead of them, by unmanned
- vehicle.)
-
- -* Redesigning equipment for 1/6 g will cost _more_ than
- - redesigning it for 0 g, because the latter has been
- - done for a much wider array of equipment on satellites
- - & stations.
-
- With so many Earth-based processes relying greatly on gravity, can you be
- sure that low gravity will be worse than none at all? Experience with
- chemical processes in microgravity is very limited - not counting rocket
- engines (which I don't think of as a *process* anyway), I can't think of any
- non-classified work except film development, and that was done using gels.
- (Obviously, there are ongoing Shuttle experiments on processes that
- *require* microgravity.)
-
- Are you thinking in terms of large rotating structures in space to provide
- gravity? That approach can introduce its own problems.
-
- -* Unlike the intrepid Biosphereans, lunar astronauts will
- - not be able to cheat and come back to civilization to
- - find good medical care. In a lunabago will be found
- - little more than a part-time doctor and a first-aid kit.
-
- That's also a concern for SSF. Would a crew return to Earth two months
- early to reattach a severed fingertip?
-
- Some of the Shuttle experiments have involved equipment and techniques
- that would be useful for medical treatment in orbit - they could
- certainly make sure at least one SSF astronaut is a physician, and
- perhaps surgery would not be out of the question.
-
- On her first flight (the Spacelab mission), Dr. Tammy Jernigan showed that
- if the Shuttle pilot is strapped down onto the experimental restraint table
- for sick crewmen, he can safely be whacked over the head and/or tickled
- with an artificial arm without fear of immediate retribution - thus proving
- that the restraints are effective. (On the recent STS-52 mission, however,
- she was unfortunately dragged off by a 'space alien' during the Halloween
- celebrations - showing that these things balance out in the long run.)
-
- -* Submarines get to surface every month or more, and can come back to
- - port for food & sex. Nobody has a "submarine colony", even though
- - it would be far less expensive and more functional than a lunar
- - "colony".
-
- I know one person who actually served on a nuclear attack sub. Judging from
- his (unclassified) account, I don't think they surfaced for months at a
- time.
-
- -* If scientific knowledge is an "economic resource", then what
- - happened to NASA's planetary science budget? Why can't they
- - even find money for a lunar polar orbiter, which costs many
- - orders of magnitude less than even a minimal lunar base?
- - Why not let scientists decide where to spend the science budget?
- - (Hint: lunar base isn't even _on_ their long list of priorities).
-
- Some might argue that the overwhelming interest of scientists is to
- publish as many papers as possible (to the extent that many journals
- actually charge the authors to publish their papers), and that for a
- given amount of money, you can get a lot more speculative papers on
- fuzzy blobs seen from Earth. I think that would be too harsh an accusation -
- I'm sure there are many dedicated scientists who are mainly interested
- in scientific truth. But I'm not convinced that the scientists should be
- given the sole voice in deciding what should be funded. None of the scientists
- I know get to spend on whatever they want without approval from Administration.
-
- -* Microgravity manufacturing, large platforms and other space
- - industries could export $10's of billions per year to earth
- - by using a large supply of cheap volatiles and high-grade metal
- - regolith, available in abundance from planetesimals but absent
- - on the moon. With low thrust in microgravity, the power needed
- - to move this material to earth orbit is orders of magnitude less
- - than needed to get useless lunar material out of the moon's gravity
- - well.
-
- -Our obsession with the Death Valley in front of us continues
- -to blind our eyes to the fertile valleys beyond, and the space
- -colonization movement remains mired in failure.
-
- "And your friends on the forest moon will not survive." :-)
-
- Well, one improvement anyway - nobody's going to be able to dispute
- the *numbers* in your post. :-) :-)
-
- John Roberts
- roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
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