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- From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
- Subject: Re: What did Judas betray?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.184648.23834@netcom.com>
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- References: <1992Nov17.010556.9465@newsroom.utas.edu.au> <1992Nov21.061549.983@netcom.com> <1992Nov23.160423.29721@news.eng.convex.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:46:48 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov23.160423.29721@news.eng.convex.com> swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov21.061549.983@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
- >>
- >> "for anyone hung on a tree is under God's curse"
- >> -Deut. 21:23
- >>
- >>How can somebody possibly be the Messiah if they are under God's curse?
- >>But change the story a bit, blame it on the Romans, and THIS problem
- >>nicely goes away!
- >
- >The cross is explicitely interpreted as a tree in the New Testament,
- >and Messiah's hanging on the tree is shown to be redemptive and
- >substitutionary - he became acursed for our sakes, that we might be
- >redeemed from the curse which we were under (Galatians 3:13).
- >
- >No attempt is made to dodge this issue in the scriptures. You are
- >barking up the wrong tree. ;^)
-
- Well, all of those "tree" passages predate Mark, the earliest Gospel. It
- seems that the "line of reasoning" changed, Paul's statement in
- Galatians, written around 49, being a very early attempt to deal with
- this problem. There is no "tree" from the composition of Mark onward.
-
- --
-
- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
-
- Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
-
- "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
- Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
- broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
- where it will end."
- - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
-