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- From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
- Subject: Re: Idiot theories abound (AIDS).
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.090758@IASTATE.EDU>
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- Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
- Organization: Iowa State University
- References: <1992Nov10.134053@IASTATE.EDU> <9652@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> <1992Nov15.162710@IASTATE.EDU> <Bxzwn5.HsK@sdf.lonestar.org>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:07:58 GMT
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- In article <Bxzwn5.HsK@sdf.lonestar.org>, tad@sdf.lonestar.org (Tad Dowe)
- writes:
- > In article <1992Nov15.162710@IASTATE.EDU> danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A
- Ashlock) writes:
- >
- >
- >> Goddamnit could one of the SKEPTICS please construct and AIDS-was-caused-
- >>by-the-govenment theory? Then it won't be quite so silly.
- >
- >>Dan
- >>Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
-
- Tad goes on to get _sillier_ that some of the other nonskeptic theories
- proposed. In detail:
-
- > The military tested biological warfare techniques during the '50s and '60s.
- > They sprayed SanFrancisco from outside the bay with an aerosol to test what
- > the dispersion of the "agent" would be into the bay area. They used a
- > bacteria,
- > I forget the specific type, which would not normally be infectious; except
- > when the person's immune system was very poor. Since this bacteria is
- normally
- > present in our environment, it makes one wonder how they determined which
- > sample was theirs and which was a normal species. I propose that they
- "tagged"
- > the test bacteria by "cutting" a genetic tag into the test sample(s). This
- > "tag" was carried/cut into the genetic material via use of SV material (now
- > know as reverse transcriptase.)
-
- You should not "assume" things. You are too ignorant to get away with it.
- I bet they used an isotopic lable which (surprise, surprise) actually could be
- done with 1950's-1960's technology! I'm sure they didn't use genetic splicing
- which was (I) unknown and (II) difficult to detect at the time.
-
- > Tests were conducted in various parts of the world; e.g., Africa, Japan,
- > Haiti, and, of course, the USA. In New York, fungal test material was spread
- > through-
- > out the subways. This material would also have to be "tagged" in some way;
- > perhaps using SV?
-
- Why? It was (I) unknown (II) impossible to detect at the time (III)
- much harder to use than other methods that were not unknown.
-
- >
- > Since rapid advances had been made in biology/genetics since 1944,
-
- For some reason that phrase rings alarm bells all over my conciousness. It
- is the halmark of a person who hasn't even bothered to try to check the
- plausibility of his theory and is sweeping everything he hasn't checked under
- the rug with a broad overgeneralization (Broom, Broom!!!).
-
- > it isn't
- > beyond the realm of possibility that the action of SV was known by the mid to
- > late '50s.
-
- Yes it is. I refer you to the rest of this thread for the reasoning. Think
- a moment: why would they use SIV which is incredibly hard to detect in 1985 for
- experiments in the late 50's? Almost any other marker, an isotopic marker for
- example, would have been better.
-
- > Specially, in military biological research, where efforts to mut-
- > ate virulent species of bacteria had been extensively studied since the '30s.
- >
- > Still, this isn't a true conspiracy. Even if it were true, the spread of
- > HIV, as a result, would have certainly been accidental.
-
- It also still has vanishing probability. Theres no reason to think the
- millitary, the CIA, Greenpeace, or the Sweedish National Darts Team
- new anything about the SIV, HIV or other related retroviruses in the proper
- time frame.
-
- > Tad
-
- Thanks for playing, but you get the rubber cigar.
-
- Dan
- Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
-