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- From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
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- Subject: Re: Pronouns, again
- Message-ID: <20NOV199208105365@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 15:10:00 GMT
- References: <1992Nov20.040155.1@stsci.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov20.040155.1@stsci.edu>, zellner@stsci.edu writes...
- > >> I have noticed that I use the word "they" as a singular, gender unspecified
- > >> pronoun. Example:
- > >>
- > >> I saw someone the other day. I was to far away to see what they
- > >> looked like, but something was familiar about them.
- > >>
- > >> I know that most people cringe hearing the strange mix of number in
- > >> this sentence.
- >
- >The problem is that when I hear that, I hear the grammatical error and not
- >the point that you were trying to make, like a jarring note in a piece of
- >music, or a blot on a page I'm trying to read. Or maybe I think you really
- >do mean two or more people, and thus I have difficulty parsing what you
- >just said.
- >
- >And it's especially jarring when it's done as a circumlocution to avoid
- >using the pronoun "he", under the misconception that "he" can only refer
- >to a person known to be male. I hear the misconception, not the meaning.
- >
- >I checked the Oxford English Dictionary, and "they" has NEVER been used
- >with a singular referent in good writing except occasionally when the
- >referent has a universal significance, as in "Everyone has a right to their
- >own opinions". The OED is not making value judgements, just reporting
- >usage. Even "good writing" means writing that is widely read and quoted.
-
- I read an article as an undergrad on this subject from a linguistics
- journal (I'm sure I have a copy lying around somewhere) which argued
- otherwise. It maintained that "they" was used as a singular pronoun as
- late as the 18th century, when the prescriptive grammar movement began,
- and gave examples from a variety of sources.
-
- Using "he" for this purpose is incorrect in one feature--gender.
- Using "they" for this purpose is incorrect in one feature--number.
-
- >
- >Of course language changes, but we should welcome only changes that increase
- >the signal-to-noise ratio, not decrease it.
- >
- >Ben
-
- Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
- Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
- University of Arizona
- Tucson, AZ 85721
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