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- From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: sci.skeptic: The Frequently Questioned Answers
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- Date: 19 Nov 92 14:32:18 GMT
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- An excellent list of succinctly answered questions. A few comments.
-
- Quoting paj@gec-mrc.co.uk in article <skeptic-faq_722005554@gec-mrc.co.uk>:
- [conspiracy theories]
-
- You seem to be talking about Grand Conspiracy theories. Petty
- Conspiracy theories (Bush arranged the invasion of Kuwait/the
- Republican Party arranged for the release of the Iranian hostages to be
- delayed/the Tory Party was complicit with the supply of the 'Supergun'
- to Iraq, etc) sometimes turn out to be true.
-
- >The usual rejoinder to someone who says "They laughed at Columbus,
- >they laughed at Galileo" is to say "And they also laughed at Coco the
- >Clown". This may be a quote from Carl Sagan.
-
- Or a quote by Stephen J Gould: "To resemble Galileo, it is not enough
- that one be persecuted; one must also be right." (may not be exact)
-
- >The Koestler Chair of Parapsychology at the University of Edinborough
- >is, as far as I know, still active. The current incumbent is, I think,
- >named Robert Morris; his main assistant is Deborah Delanoy.
-
- Edinburgh. I'll confirm all this when I get the chance.
-
- >Unfortunately careful tests of dowsers have revealed absolutely no
- >ability to find water or anything else by extra-sensory perception.
- >Dowsing success stories can be explained by noting that wherever you
- >dig you will find water. You just have to dig deep enough.
-
- It also seems worth noting that people are probably quite good at
- finding water; it isn't randomly distributed. People who are generally
- familiar with big cities could probably dowse for a McDonalds in a new
- city and think nothing of it.
-
- >3.1.3 But isn't it possible that aliens are visiting Earth?
-
- The funniest part of these theories is the idea that spacecraft would
- travel millions of light years over billions of years in order to play
- silly buggers with the US government.
-
- [crop circles]
- >Meaden has changed his theory to first accomodate complex circles,
- >ovals and even triangles (!), but now admits that most circles are
- >hoaxes and the theory can only explain simpler patterns.
-
- It seems that simple crop circles have been observed for quite some
- time; the idea of hoaxing complex ones has only arisen recently. This
- is not an idea to be rejected out of hand.
-
- >4.10: Does religious healing work?
-
- Well yes, of course. Don't underestimate the difference a patient's
- mental state can make to their recovery. This is not to propound the
- theory that's been circulated on leaflets here in Edinburgh, that "all
- diseases are really mental". It's just that feeling low or pessimistic
- can depress your ability to recover.
-
- >4.11: What harm does it do anyway?
-
- >People have died when alternative practitioners told them to stop
- >taking conventional treatment.
-
- This is fairly rare. Most people try both.
-
- >[...] it is a waste of time and money
-
- This isn't really the issue, is it? My problem with religious healing
- is this: it encourages ignorance and delusion.
-
- >5.2: Could the Universe have been created old?
-
- I don't think so. In order to find out what an old Universe would have
- been like, God would have had to 'run the process' in His imagination.
- Such a thing would be indistinguishable from the real Universe. I see
- no important distinction between "The Universe is exactly as if it were
- ten billion years old" and "The Universe is ten billion years old".
-
- >5.5: What is evolution? Where can I find out more?
-
- >I can also recommend books and essays on the subject by Stephen Jay Gould.
-
- And Richard Dawkins. "The Blind Watchmaker" is the sort of book that
- makes you want to find a creationist to argue with.
-
- >[Perhaps the FAQ lists on talk.origins could be cross-posted?]
-
- No; it'll only encourage people to discuss it here rather than talk.origins.
-
- >New Age
-
- It's probably worth dealing with the Neopagans somewhere around here
- too. Neopagans disown New Age beliefs with a fervour that would make a
- Jehovah's Witness proud, but they share a lot of the beliefs in your
- list; the main difference seems to be a marked reluctance to actually
- *give* *money* to all the charlatans who try and sell them things.
- They've got various sorts of Goddesses (and some Gods though they don't
- seem to be as important) and are also keen on the Moon. A real pagan
- would do them better justice.
-
- In other words, a New Ager is a pagan with more money and even less sense.
-
- >There is no suggestion that his [Duesberg's] theories are the result of
- >a political agenda or homophobia.
-
- This surprises me.
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