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- From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
- Subject: Re: Faith Healing
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.024312.22635@hfsi.uucp>
- Organization: HFS, Inc., McLean VA
- References: <n0e4ct@ofa123.fidonet.org>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:43:12 GMT
- Lines: 95
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- In article <n0e4ct@ofa123.fidonet.org> David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
- >
- >JA-FSO> "Of course, because people can twist the definition of sin
- >JA-FSO> to suit their purposes does not make it an invalid concept."
- >
- >Sin: failure to follow the dicta of the rich, powerful, ruling elite,
- >whom use the illusion of divine authorization. Do you have a better,
- >valid definition? "Sin" is arbitrary, and subject to change without
- >notice.
-
- How about Sin: 1) A willful violation of some religious or moral principal.
- 2) Any wrong or evil act.
-
- >
- >Sure. Most Christian churches think "homosexuality" is a "sin."
- >This, however, is not about what is "right" and "wrong," but an
- >issue of CONTROL. A few Christian churches consider abortion a
- >"sin," but it is also an issue of control. That is why I likened
- >most religions, and specifically Christianity, as a control-freak.
- >Jerk a person's sexuality and watch them dance!
-
- But you can say that about any moral precept. To someone who has no
- intentions of honoring it, it is just an issue of control. To others,
- it is God's way of showing us the best way to behave.
-
- >
- >Breaking law is not sin!
- >
- >We were (I was?) talking about "sin." People do not fail to kill
- >others because it is a "sin;" they fail to do so because it is
- >wrong to do so, or they fail to kill their neighbors because they
- >fear retribution from the State or from the family / friends of
- >the potentially dead neighbor.
-
- We were talking about whether it is healthy to supress natural
- desires which you stated that Christianity did and was therefore
- unhealthy. I merely pointed out that it is not only Christianity that
- supresses natural desires but society as well. Why do you not call it
- unhealthy when society does it?
-
- >JA-FSO> You have made the case for seeing Christianity as perverting
- >JA-FSO> sexuality. May I present an alternate viewpoint? Let us say
- >JA-FSO> that I buy something like a dishwasher. With it comes an
- >JA-FSO> instruction manual that tells me how to load it, tips for
- >JA-FSO> arranging the dishes in an optimum way for cleaning, which
- >JA-FSO> settings to use and under what circumstances, etc. Now I
- >JA-FSO> can look at the instruction manual and say, "This is just
- >JA-FSO> a bunch of meaningless regulation, I do not want to be
- >JA-FSO> confined by it" and proceed to operate the dishwasher in a
- >JA-FSO> manner contrary to the instruction mannual. At best, the
- >JA-FSO> dishes won't come out very clean, at worst I could break
- >JA-FSO> the dishwasher. And who was to blame?"
- >
- >Theist falsehood #1: "people as 'things,' such as a dishwasher."
- >That's not what you meant, just what you implied. My concern is
- >a human one. Life is not a machine.
-
- Anti-theist falsehood #1: Take an analogy that was trying to
- describe something, ignore the point of the analogy and find some
- difference between the thing the author was trying to describe and
- the object of the analogy. Then proceed to label the analogy
- false and useless.
-
- >
- >Theist falsehood #2: "people come with instruction books." There
- >is no instruction manual for human beings.
-
- Anti-theist falsehood #2: Take things as literally as possible. If you
- mean that no one is born with an instruction booklet, I agree. But that
- is not what I was saying.
-
- >
- >Theist falsehood #3: "all people can be, and should be, governed
- >by one set of instructions." People come is all kinds, shapes,
- >colors, paradigms, social structures, intelligences, knowledge
- >bases, biases, etc. To force all peoples into a mold is what
- >all tyrants try to do--- those who do not fit are removed.
-
- Anti-theist falsehoold #3: There is no general guiding principal
- that could govern a persons behaviour. Let's see, we usually eat
- when we are hungry and have food readily available. We usually
- drink when we are thirsty and have liquids readily available. And
- we all excrete when nature demands it of us. Sounds like pretty
- general principals guiding all people in the physical arena. Why
- couldn't there be spiritual precepts or guidelines in the
- spiritual arena?
-
- >--- Maximus 2.00
-
-
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