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- From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
- Subject: Re: Science and Religion
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.024827.24812@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- References: <1992Nov22.002529.25659@u.washington.edu>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:48:27 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov22.002529.25659@u.washington.edu> jma@milton.u.washington.edu (Marty Anderson) writes:
- >
- >I have three degrees in science and am a Bible believing creationist.
- >Of course, what *you* mean by "creationist" may be a lot different than
- >what *I* mean by the term. I take it to refer to someone who believes that
- >God created the universe and the world out of nothing. Has science proven
- >that God did not create the world or the universe out of nothing? Hardly!
- >It is my opinion that the creationist position is, in fact, the *only*
- >reasonable position after an examination of the historical and scientific
- >facts. (I won't present the evidence here although I'm willing to continue
- >at another time.)
-
- Please, please, please. You were being so reasonable until you
- hit the last sentence. Surely you do not believe that there will
- *ever* be scientific 'facts' that back up creation by a God
- within science? Omnipotence and omniscence are completely
- unfalsifiable. Miracles produced by a creator are similarly
- flawed from the perspective of science.
-
- >You'll notice that I included historical evidence along with scientific
- >evidence. It's sad to see so many modern scientists in the careless
- >position of thinking that scientific evidence in the *only* evidence.
- >If this was a reasonable thing to do then only scientific evidence would
- >be permitted in a court of law - one place where the search for truth is
- >supposed to reign. In reality, evidence does not necessarily only come
- >from scientific investigation. (Most people reasonably believe that
- >George Washington was the 1st president of the United States in spite
- >of the fact that science cannot prove that he was.)
-
- It is the only evidence *in* science. If we admit other types,
- the pursuit becomes a worthless democratic shouting match.
-
- Belief in GW as president is hardly a 'scientific belief'.
-
- >Concerning the issue at hand, if God expects us to reasonably believe in
- >Him, a preponderance of the evidence, from all sources, must be in His
- >favor. And, if God does exist, we, if we're reasonable, should be prepared
- >to accept evidence of Him *wherever* He supplies it. Science is not the
- >mother of all evidence. (Those who unfortunately equate "logic" and
- >"science" need to realize that logic is a prerequisite to *all* thought -
- >not just scientific investigation.)
-
- It is within science. Outside is the business of other newsgroups.
-
- By the way, 'logic' is hardly a prerequisite for all thought.
- Does the thought that you'd like a cheesburger have a 'logical'
- basis? Can you supply the ultimate premise for *any* of your thoughts?
- Basically, we don't appear to think that way at all except in
- restricted circumstances.
-
- >In conclusion, I would just like to submit that those would presume to be
- >logical should be willing to examine all of the evidence in the search for
- >truth. It is my opinion that the historical evidence abundantly shows
- >that the Bible is historical, reliable, and the very Word of God. The
- >Bible says that the primary proof for God comes through Jesus Christ who
- >provided sufficient evidence for people to reasonably put their faith in
- >Him. But, those who are *unwilling* to face historical evidence as well as
- >the evidence provided by science and other sources cannot reasonably expect
- >to find truth, or God.
-
- Truth is not the subject of science. Your opinion about God is
- outside of science.
-
- dale bass
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- C. R. Bass crb7q@virginia.edu
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