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- From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Pure energy (Was:Re: energy, mass, and all that)
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:08 PST
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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- In article <1992Nov20.160419.119506@watson.ibm.com>, platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt) writes...
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- [... lots of stuff with which I agree deleted ...]
-
- >The argument
- >I'm responding to is more like the old Star Trek's episode where
- >everyone is staring at a viewer at a glowing blob, and Spock says
- >that it is "...pure energy." In response to that, I want to ask
- >"pure energy of what?" A lot of people come out of their first
- >exposure to E=mc^2 thinking that you can completely convert the mass
- >in a chunk of desk into 'pure energy.' Most often, it isn't made
- >clear that the 'conversion' occurs in reactions subject to strict
- >conservation laws. Maybe I'm arguing about something pedantic.
-
- This is a good point. "Pure energy" is meaningless. Only particles
- or collections of particles (virtual or otherwise) can have energy.
- Perhaps you can make some sense of the notion by defining pure energy
- to be the total energy of a bosonic field, so that the energy is not
- carried by fermions. A bath of photons, for example, or the energy
- stored in a static EM field (virtual photons) comes as close to my
- notion of what "pure energy" is as anything I can think of.
-
- I wonder, in fact, if nonlinear light-light interactions might allow one
- to create complex photonic objects in the absence of matter, assuming
- the photon intensity is large enough that the nonlinearities can be
- made arbitrarily important.
-
- There is an episode of STTNG (which just aired as a repeat last night in
- the Bay Area) in which a guy transforms into a being clearly meant to
- be composed of pure energy. If the entire rest mass of your body were
- converted into photons in the same volume, I wonder if the nonlinearities
- would be enough to keep your parts interacting enough that you wouldn't
- just disassemble.
-
- Never mind. This is getting silly.
-
- -Scott
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- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
- SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV although I have no right to say so, having
- been a single cell so long ago myself that I
- have no memory at all of that stage of my
- life." - Lewis Thomas
-