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- From: doug@retzlaff.llnl.gov (Douglas S. Miller)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Volume of Cyl. Shell and Thermodynamics
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 22:31:55 GMT
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- mustafa@seas.smu.edu (Mustafa Kocaturk) writes:
- >doug@wente.llnl.gov (Douglas S. Miller)
- >[calculates the approximate weight of a hollow cylindrical tank:]
- >> ... The weight of the tank, however, will go roughly as wall
- >>thickness squared (mass = density*pi*(r_outer^2-r_inner^2)*height), so now
-
- [M.K. doesn't agree with r^2 conclusion]
-
- >
- > Proof:
- > Using elementary algebra to write (ignoring the bases of the cylinder)
- > r_outer^2 - r_inner^2 == (r_outer + r_inner)*(r_outer - r_inner)
- > and assuming r_outer+r_inner is kept constant (by keeping the average
- > diameter constant), it follows that the weight of the tank
- > is *proportional* to its thickness.
-
- Keeping the average constant means decreasing r_inner as r_outer
- increases. This works until r_inner -> zero, at which point the tank
- holds nothing, which is not very useful (paper weight for hurricane
- country?).
-
- >
- > Secondly, other things may happen before thickness grows
- > out of control. The gas inside the tank will probably change state
- > (liquefy or solidify) under that pressure, if some of its
-
- If the compressed gas changes phase at room temperature and 100,000 psi
- then this idea is *really* in trouble; remember the original thought
- was to use compressed air to run cars. Anybody got a phase diagram
- for nitrogen? I've no idea how warm it can get and still go to liquid at
- high pressure. Btw, Blair Houghton noted that I dropped a factor of
- 10 on the weight of the tank, it's ~32,000 pounds, not 3200. Pretty
- hefty load for, oh let's say a Chevette.
-
- Doug Miller doug@retzlaff.llnl.gov
- "St. Peter, don'cha call me, 'cause I can't go.
- I owe my soul to the Company Sto'."
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