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- From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
- Subject: Re: Religion & Physics Don't Mix
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.225822.28430@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- References: <1992Nov16.025934.14280@reks.uia.ac.be> <1992Nov16.072757.29064@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1e92uiINNdbo@chnews.intel.com>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:58:22 GMT
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- In article <1e92uiINNdbo@chnews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.072757.29064@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
- >> To make this much stronger, 'All-powerful' and 'all-knowing'
- >> is a concept outside of science. One cannot determine such a
- >> concept within science.
- >
- >They're also concepts inside of paranoia and psychosis.
- >Given the opportunity to make a Bayesian decision for a
- >wager on whether God or psychosis is the causative agent
- >behind religion, I'll bet the farm on the psychosis.
-
- Assuming you are not a psychiatrist, your bet is not worth much in
- this context. Nor is your bet important for science. God is not
- a scientific concept.
-
- However, far from the farm, I'd also be willing to make a $500 bet that
- the majority of the first ten psychiatrists I asked would *not* consider
- belief in God a psychosis when presented with this decision.
-
- How confident are you in your diagnosis, Doctor?
-
- >> Religion has to accept nothing. Do you honestly think that the
- >> Jains base their belief in reincarnation on *logic*?
- >
- >Certainly not, since it's a scientific impossibility.
- >Atoms and energy do not fly from one dead body to another
- >live body, except through well-explained methods of natural
- >recycling.
- >
- >Unless you're willing to start arguing about the
- >existence of "soul" (other than that which Motown
- >so graciously gave to us, of course).
-
- Such notions are not of science. Feel free to go elsewhere to
- argue such notions. We know full well where you stand on religion.
- My point is, and always has been, that such 'feelings' are a
- part of personal 'psychoses' and are not science. They are not
- beholden to logic, and such concepts are not falsifiable under
- science, so science can have nothing to say about them, good or
- bad, true or false.
-
- >>>their religion - creationists and others. But don't blame religion for
- >>>this; it's bad science AND bad theology. It is true that religion is
- >>
- >> It is perfectly consistent theology. It is *not* science.
- >
- >It's ridiculously bad theology that's been blown completely
- >out of the water by all sorts of scientific discoveries.
- >Evolution since the time of Darwin has been the sine qua
- >non of antireligious scientific pursuits.
-
- In the context of science, theology has *no* value insofar as it
- doesn't claim it is science. Not 'good', not 'bad'. None, zero
- zip, null.
-
- Your arguments, or lack thereof, are exactly the same ones used
- by certain sects to claim that science is the province of religion.
- Imagine standing defending yourself against the cutlass of faith in
- a universe created ex nihilo by a omniscient, omnipotent God with
- only the blade of Occam's razor dulled by misruse. Good luck.
- Simplicity truly *is* in the eye of the beholder.
-
- dale bass
-
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