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- From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: TIME HAS INERTIA. ABIAN replies to CORLEY (att: INDRA)
- Keywords: Principles (A1) and (A2). Repelling Forces explained
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.190540.28876@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 19:05:40 GMT
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- In article <abian.721884490@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu> abian@iastate.edu (Alexander Abian) writes:
- >Dear Mr. CORLEY, 11-15-92
- >
- > I (alexander Abian) wrote to Indra:
- >
- > Indra, please go to the nearest University, go to the Physics Department
- >find the most "prominent" physicist there and ask him/her:
- >
- > " WHY , say, TWO NEGATIVE ELECTRICAL CHARGES REPEL "
- >
- >My guess is that his/her answer will be "It is a principle , we do not ask
- >why, we use Coulomb's law to quantify the repelling force"
- >
- > Indra, my answer is "According to (A1), the space tends to maintain
- >the status quo of its electrical neutrality and opposes a further concentr-
- >ation of negative charges, and repels them. However, if we overpower the
- >space we may crush spaces' opposition", and a new Status Quo is created.
- >
- > Then Mr. Corley you wrote to Indra:
- >
- >>Indra, the real answer is that this is caused by the electromagnetic
- >>force which has been understood for literally centuries. This
- >>may sound like mere posturing, (I can even hear Mr. Abian now,
- >>"you don't understand it so you call it electromagnetism"),
- >
- > THE ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCES ARE CREATED BY COSMOS PRECISELY TO REPEL
- > THE LIKE ELECTRIC CHARGES TO COOPERATE WITH THE SPACE IN SPACE'S
- > TENDENCY OF MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO OF ITS ELECTRICAL NEUTRALITY !!!
- > (brilliant explanation - don't you agree !)
- >
- >>Let me put that another way. Gravity (relativistically speaking)
- >>is a distortion of the space-time continuum. If you extend that
- >>continuum to 5 dimensions, you get electromagnetism, which
- >>causes the two negative charges to repel.
- >
- >
- > Mr. Corley,
- > I do not think that there is a committee of saints who has
- >devised the extension of space-time continuum to the 5 dimensions
- >just to repel two like charges. As I explained above, the reason
- >of repelling forces is the TENDENCY OF MAINTAINING SPACES' ELECTRICAL
- >NEUTRALITY.
- >
- No, just a mathematician named Theodor Kaluza who in 1919 (not
- the 1920s as I previously posted (sorry)) who was wondering
- how Einstein's equations for relativistic gravity (my description
- of which you deleted) would look in 5 dimensions. When he had
- finished with the transforms and the equations, it turned out
- to be identical to Maxwells equations of electromagnetism.
- These results are in the proceedings of the Berlin Academy for
- 1921 under the title "On The Problem of Unification in Physics"
- (I apologize for not having the entire citation).
- These results are mathematically correct and are available for
- you to check over to your hearts content. Far be it from me
- to say that you would never find an error. Perhaps there is
- an error in Kaluza's mathematics. If there is, and you find
- it, and point out the specific page number/equation it is on/in,
- I will be happy to denounce the mathematical unification of
- electromagnetism from the rooftops.
- > Then you continue:
- >
- >>There is no need to resort to these Status Quos and Provokers and Provokees
- >>which are unclear, undefined, un-backed-up by mathematics, unpredictive,
- >>unscientific, and (I must admit) rapidly becoming more and more
- >>uninteresting.
- >
- > Mr. Corley,
- >
- >
- > Don't you see how strongly and overwhelmingly you and the others are
- >clinging desperately to MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO's OF YOUR SCIENTIFIC
- >INDOCTRINATIONS ....
- >
- > You say TIME HAS INERTIA is becoming more and more uninteresting .
- >You agree that this is a put-down statement. Why don't you just ignore the
- >Subject: TIME HAS INERTIA ! Why ! Because you feel that there is a
- >tremendous content there, a profound and revolutionary idea which
- >will pretty soon dominate and open a new phase in Physics!
- >
-
- No, I have several reasons for reading it:
- 1. I need a good laugh every afternoon.
- 2. I think it is not right to let people who are incorrect remain
- incorrect (obviously you share this belief).
- 3. I have invested a lot of thought in your A1 and would be
- very disappointed if I did not share the results of that
- thinking. (Namely, that A1 is a tautology and is therefore
- meaningless to debate about, unless you are a mathematician
- arguing the axiom of choice, which should be argued in an entirely
- different way in an entirely different context and through an
- entirely different language.)
-
- Jason (Not the Jason who asked for Abian's credentials, but an
- incredible simulation!)
-