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- From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
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- Subject: Re: Higgs Spotted?
- Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:57:17 GMT
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- crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
- >>> "Mars is somewhat the same distance from the sun, which is
- >>> very important. We have seen pictures where there are
- >>> canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, there
- >>> is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."
- >>> Dan Quayle, August 11, 1989
-
- > It sounds pretty funny when presented the appropriate way, but
- > nothing that is said above appears to actually be wildly incorrect.
-
- Not as I read it.
-
- > 1) compared to Uranus, Mars is roughly at the same distance from the
- > Sun as the Earth.
-
- If you call 52% farther "somewhat the same," then I will grant this.
- A more complete quote from Quayle shows he preceded the above comments
- with "Mars is essentially in the same orbit [as Earth]." P/Swift-Tuttle
- and the Perseids are essentially in the same orbit. Earth and Mars are
- not.
-
- > 2) there are large numbers of surface features that
- > seem to have been shaped by water, and while it is true that we
- > may not be able to see the water ....
-
- While there are canyons and channels, there most definitely are not canals
- (unless you use a silly definition of "canal" being any markings on Mars;
- such a definition is irrelevant in a context discussing evidence of water).
- Second, Quayle used the present tense in saying that pictures show there
- *are* canals and water. There most definitely is no photographic evidence
- of water on Mars *now*.
-
- > 3) where there is water, there is oxygen,
- > and 4) any number of proposals have been made in my community to use
- > indigenous materials, including subsurface water, to breathe.
-
- In Quayle's statement, we can either take "oxygen" to mean atomic oxygen
- or molecular oxygen. If the former, then Quayle's first statement is true
- and the second is false -- you need atomic oxygen plus a whole lot more.
- If we take "oxygen" to mean molecular oxygen, then the first statement
- is false and the second is true (with the qualification that you must
- have enough oxygen). Either way, Quayle loses (but he took care of that
- 2 weeks ago anyway).
-
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