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- From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
- Newsgroups: sci.med
- Subject: Re: Circumcision as a trivial issue
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:00:59 -0600
- Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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- Summary: Gary Davis blathers on.
- Keywords: mut
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- -*----
- In article <gdavis.722288970@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
- > Its always seemed odd to me that people apply a strange kind of
- > social relativity in judging rituals and customs. If WE are
- > not doing it than it may be both mutilation and appalling,
- > but if WE do it even if its feeding infants to volanoes,its
- > just OK!
-
- What nonsense. Even if there is no medical reason for
- circumcision, it is at *worst* a kind of ritual marking no better
- and no worse than similar marking rites practiced in hundreds of
- cultures. It is neither mutilation nor throwing babies into
- volcanos. The critics of circumcision are the only ones here who
- have displayed the parochial view that we should be exempt from
- this kind of behavior or who think we should condemn it in other
- cultures. I condemn *neither* the African tribesman who pushes a
- bone through his child's septum *nor* an American who has his son
- circumcised. These are fairly benign acts and there are many
- more important things to worry about.
-
- > The average cost of the millions of infant circs done each year is
- > not an insignificant amount when one considers what else it might
- > have purchased such as child immunizations and nutritional programs
- > and pre-natal care for children.
-
- The energy that goes into debating trivial issues like
- circumcision would do wonders if bent to a more useful purpose!
-
- There are hundreds of trivial things that people do -- from
- buying expensive electronic gadgets to getting their pets
- decorously groomed -- whose collective costs could be put to
- other uses. Unless Gary Davis is suggesting that we condemn or
- outlaw all such frivolity, he is just blathering.
-
- > The ear piercing ritual which I would not wish my daughter
- > to do, is at least done with HER consent. ...
-
- More blather. All parents make a broad variety of choices for
- their children, both important and trivial, often with lasting
- consequences, long before their children are old enough to
- consent.
-
- > ... The procedure is ugly ... and disgusting! ...
-
- To Gary Davis. But he should understand that many people do not
- share his aesthetics. For some, it is a religious ritual to which
- family and friends are invited.
-
- Russell
-