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- From: crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford)
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- Subject: Re: Minimum standards for math "competency"
- Keywords: math competency education university college standards
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.215355.22890@linus.mitre.org>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 21:53:55 GMT
- References: <1992Nov18.165157.14599@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1339@kepler1.rentec.com> <1992Nov23.021123.22797@linus.mitre.org> <1992Nov23.140653.13522@scott.skidmore.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov23.140653.13522@scott.skidmore.edu>, pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel) writes:
- > In article <1992Nov23.021123.22797@linus.mitre.org> crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:
- > >In article <1339@kepler1.rentec.com> rjfrey@rentec.com (Robert J Frey) writes:
- > >>
- > >> o The Jobs Almanac's top 5 jobs are all mathematically based:
- > >> actuary, computer programmer, systems analyst, mathematician
- > >> and statistician.
- > >
- > >A greater need is anticipated for systems analysts and mathematicians than for
- > >nurses or accountants? First time I've heard that. Sounds dubious.
- > >
- >
- > Yup, that's what the article states, I've seen it.
-
- I don't doubt the accuracy of the quote, only the accuracy of the article.
- Just because the book of Timothy says the Bible is the word of God doesn't
- necessarily make it so.
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- >
- > >> o The math scores of the top 1% of American high school students
- > >> would place them in the 50th percentile in Japan (that's not
- > >> a typo). How can we expect to compete with Japan in high tech
- > >> manufacturing?
- > >
- [...]
-
- > >I'll step out on a limb here and say: RUBBISH! Such a statement _has_ to be
- > >completely wrong. If the margin between the US and Japan were that great, we'd
- > >see vast differences between us in virtually every form of technology, [...]
- >
- > Perhaps you haven't visited a technical university lately. [...]
- > Why a good number of them [US students] can't add
- > fractions together or interpret what a percent means. As to our
- > brightest.. there are way too few of them!
-
- I don't doubt that US students don't perform as well in math as they should, but
- when a scholarly article equates 99% here with 50% there, that is one hell of an
- assertion in itself. This implies that the entire bell curve of US student
- scores belongs in the 0-50% range in Japan. Before we all start self-flagellating,
- why don't we ask for clarification?
-
- What test was this, administered in both english and japanese? SRA? SAT?
- Do other tests reflect this level of disparity? Was it repeated over several
- years using large samples of students? Exactly what did it test? Or is this
- just a magic number meant by the author to strike fear into the hearts of stout
- men (and women)? Where oh where is Alan Bloom when we need him?
-
- It seems to me that ready acceptance among educated americans of so improbable a
- claim may be evidence that the claim itself is true.
-
- To misquote two for the price of one: "If it's in print, then however improbable,
- it _must_ be true."
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