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- From: pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon)
- Subject: Re: Minimum standards for math "competency"
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:12:02 GMT
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- crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:
-
- >>
- >> o The math scores of the top 1% of American high school students
- >> would place them in the 50th percentile in Japan (that's not
- >> a typo). How can we expect to compete with Japan in high tech
- >> manufacturing?
-
- >Hoo boy! Does this statement need qualification!
-
- >In effect, this states that EVERY american student would be below average
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >mathematically in Japan.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- >I'll step out on a limb here and say: RUBBISH! Such a statement _has_ to be
- >completely wrong. If the margin between the US and Japan were that great, we'd
- >see vast differences between us in virtually every form of technology, including
- >patents and major prizes for scientific research, which we don't. We'd find
- >ten Japanese students for every American in every non-american and non-japanese
- >university, which (I'll bet) we don't.
-
- >But perhaps it's just my gross inadequacy in mathematics speaking...
-
- >>
- >>My recommendations to you are as follows:
- >>
- >> o Hit 'em with facts, HARD. Good sources: Lester Thurow, Head to
- >> Head, Morrow, 1992; and National Academy Press, A Challenge of
- >> Numbers: People in the Mathematical Sciences, 1990. These
- >> contain extensive references which will point you further.
-
- >More power to references.
-
- >--
-
- >| Randy Crawford crawford@mitre.org The MITRE Corporation
- >| 7525 Colshire Dr., MS Z421
- >| N=1 -> P=NP 703 883-7940 McLean, VA 22102
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-
- If you think the Japanese are tough, try to beat the Singaporeans
- first. Then you will know how far behind are the average American
- high school students. When most of high school students in certain
- Asian countries or areas start learning calculus in grade 10, some
- of the American college students are still struggling with
- trigonometry, if not algebra.
-
- However, it is rubbish to claim that Asian students take advantages
- over American students "absolutely". In the real world, it takes
- a lot more than calculus to take advantage of others. Let's not
- forget college student in Japan don't study hard-- at least not that I
- heard of. I am not from Japan but all of my Japanese friends told
- me that college students in Japan party most of the time. Doesn't
- it explain something about the real world situation?
-
- Peter, UIUC
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