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- From: rjfrey@rentec.com (Robert J Frey)
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- Subject: Re: Minimum standards for math "competency"
- Keywords: math competency education university college standards
- Message-ID: <1339@kepler1.rentec.com>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 07:28:58 GMT
- References: <1992Nov18.165157.14599@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
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- Organization: Renaissance Technologies Corp., Setauket, NY.
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- In article <1992Nov18.165157.14599@fcom.cc.utah.edu> swillden@icarus.weber.edu writes:
- >At Weber State University, Ogden, Utah, U.S.A (where I am working on a
- >B.S. in math and CS) there is a movement to change (lower) the
- >standards for math competency...
- >
- >The proposal is championed by the departments of various social
- >sciences (Sociology, communications, etc.) who feel that math 105 is
- >simply too difficult for their students to pass. (Math 105 is
- >essentially a high-school algebra course)...
- >
- >
- >Also ... I would like to find out what standards are at other schools...
- >
- As someone with a Ph.D. in applied mathematics who has spend time as both an
- academic and an applied mathematician in industry, I would like to offer you
- an alternate question: What mathematics will students need when they get out
- into the world REGARDLESS of what is or is not required in your or any other
- university?
-
- The answer in that case is clear. They need a lot more than they're getting!
- It is serendipitous that I recently gave an invited paper dealing with this
- issue at a recent conference. The title of the talk was "A View from Outside:
- The Challenge of Mathematics Education." What it dealt with is the failure
- of educational institutions in this country to produce graduates, at both
- the secondary and postsecondary levels, who have the mathematical skills
- required of workers in a modern industrial society.
-
- We're not talking about math majors here, but of factory workers, maintenance
- personnel, etc. who lack the skills to work with flexible manufacturing
- systems, computer aided manufacturing, just-in-time inventory policies and
- statistical quality control techniques. It is incomprehensible to me that a
- professor of sociology, who is well aware of the role statistics plays in
- his or her discipline, can not only suggest that someone graduate with a
- B.A. in sociology without a solid statistics course but without even a solid
- command of "high school" algebra.
-
- If you want I can snail mail you a copy of the presentation. Here however are a
- few facts:
-
- o The Jobs Almanac's top 5 jobs are all mathematically based:
- actuary, computer programmer, systems analyst, mathematician
- and statistician.
-
- o The Workforce 2000 report from the BLS estimates that 41% of
- all new jobs will require "high" levels of skill in language,
- mathematics and reasoning, compared with only 24% of current
- jobs.
-
- o Between '73 and '90 real per capita GNP increased 28% but real
- hourly wages for non-supervisory personnel fell 12%. There
- were many reasons for this, but the discrepancy was due in
- large part to lower rates of productivity growth in the U.S.
- compared to Europe and Asia.
-
- o The math scores of the top 1% of American high school students
- would place them in the 50th percentile in Japan (that's not
- a typo). How can we expect to compete with Japan in high tech
- manufacturing?
-
- Thus, even if a sociology or communication major didn't already need a certain
- amount of mathematical training, he or she would need competency in math simply
- to qualify to work in a modern office or factory. At the conference, which BTW
- was "A SUNY Conversation in the Disciplines - Applied Mathematics: Prospects
- for the 1990's," a training manager for LILCO, the local power utility, stood
- up and said that his company often had to put new workers through several
- months of training before they could be productive.
-
- My recommendations to you are as follows:
-
- o Hit 'em with facts, HARD. Good sources: Lester Thurow, Head to
- Head, Morrow, 1992; and National Academy Press, A Challenge of
- Numbers: People in the Mathematical Sciences, 1990. These
- contain extensive references which will point you further.
-
- o Get the support of local industry. A representative from the
- Really Big Corp. who is willing to support your position by
- saying that innumerate graduates won't be getting jobs with
- them is going to be VERY persuasive.
-
- None of this means your original idea of comparing your university with others
- is wrong. I'm simply putting these ideas forward as a more or less orthogonal
- strategy that will greatly enhance your arguments.
-
- Good luck!!!
- --
- Dr. Robert J. Frey
- Renaissance Technologies Corp
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- Stony Brook, NY 11790
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