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- Subject: Re: Three-sided coin
- Message-ID: <1992Nov15.172021.60874@cc.usu.edu>
- Date: 15 Nov 92 17:20:21 MDT
- References: <1992Nov10.032643.10467@galois.mit.edu> <1dp0m9INNkq6@agate.berkeley.edu> <jim.721702281@st-michael>
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- In article <jim.721702281@st-michael>, jim@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jim Easton) writes:
- > gmortens@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald E Mortensen) writes:
- >
- >>>>>> von Neumann was asked, when about to enter a taxi,
- >>>>>>
- >>>>>>"How thick should a coin be to have equal (=1/3) probability
- >>>>>> of landing on its head,tail,or edge?"
- >
- > If you make these assumptions then it works out that the ratio of
- > diameter to thickness is sqrt(3). However I don't think assumption
- > 2 is realistic - If the coin is tossed on a table it bounces around
- > quite a bit before it settles.
- >
- > Given that it is possible to bounce from one state to another it
- > is more probable to bounce out of a high energy state to a lower
- > energy state than it is the reverse. I claim that the lowest energy
- > state is the most probable and therefore conclude that the three states
- > should be equal in energy.
- >
- > That implies that the thickness is equal to the diameter.
- >
- Unfortunately, this problem is one with an infinite number of possible
- answers. Both the sqrt(3) ratio, and the equal energy states (where the h/2 =
- radius) are essentially correct.
- If you were to toss the coin from a height of zero (or another
- extremely low height), then the first idea is correct, because bounce dynamics
- has very little or no effect. On the other hand, if your height is not
- negligible, then the final possible energy states must be equal.
- Since it is very difficult to drop a coin from a zero altitude, I'd
- have to say the second is *more* correct, even though both ideas have thier
-
- "... where the 'stuff of life' is raining out of the skies..."
- -Carl Sagan
- sniggerfardimungus
- in%"sl3nf@cc.usu.edu"
- The usual disclaimers apply anywhere
- you can find a sticky spot.
-
-
- is correct, because bounce
-