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- From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
- Newsgroups: sci.logic
- Subject: Re: Why Logic?
- Message-ID: <MARTINC.92Nov22152326@hatteras.cs.unc.edu>
- Date: 22 Nov 92 20:23:26 GMT
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- In-reply-to: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU's message of 22 Nov 92 01:42:08 GMT
-
- Hmmm... rather to my astonishment, it appears that the word "logic" here
- is becoming polymorphous. On at least one hand, we have a very general
- idea of logic as "the study of the principles of reasoning" or "valid
- reasoning as opposed to invalid reasoning". On another hand, we have
- the much more constrained definition of formal or mathematical logic.
- (An appropriate Peano axiomatization leading to the generation of
- infinite hands is left as an exercise.)
-
- I believe that the original question was really in the first domain, so
- it isn't clear that the mathematical arguments -- while interesting in
- themselves -- are very informative. Considering the question from the
- more general position, it appears that the original question
-
- Can anyone explain why we use logic? Unfortunately, any logical
- arguments to support logic, are unfortunately, invalid. --Ray Cote
-
- is clearly an attempt to attack the use of "logic" by paradox, by
- claiming that there is no "logical" reason to use logic. However, as
- someone else pointed out, the question presumes an appeal to logic on
- its face, because the distinction between a "valid" and "invalid"
- argument is itself a logical one. One might argue therefore that the
- best argument for using logic is the fact that the attempt to challenge
- the use of logic must itself appeal to "logic", that is, to valid
- reasoning. This can lead to the idea of a Platonic Form for "valid
- reasoning" that pre-exists our attempts to use that valid reasoning,
- making "logic" into a sort of natural-science search for a better and
- better description of this Ideal of Valid Reasoning.
-
- More pragmatically, there appear to be only two forms of reaching
- agreement available: either we appeal to an idea of "valid argument"
- under which, by a dialectic or discursive process, we arrive at a
- conclusion acceptable to all parties; or we deny that such a process can
- exist, in which case we are reduced to the more direct method of hitting
- one another over the head with large rocks until one side or the other
- gives in.
-
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