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- From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
- Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.culture.tuva
- Subject: Ulaan Bataar (was Re: Uighur & other scripts.)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.002011.17112@prime.mdata.fi>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 00:20:11 GMT
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- In article <11428@scott.ed.ac.uk> iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
- writes:
- >In article <1992Nov8.143205.22191@prime.mdata.fi> karttu@mits.mdata.fi
- >(Antti Karttunen) writes:
- >>I have some hazy memory that it [_sc._ Ulaan Baatar] means "Red Hero"
- >>or something like that.
- >
- >Yes, exactly. (Or almost. _Baatar_ means `hero, champion, superman'.)
- >
- >>So I would guess that its name would get changed also,
- >>maybe back to an old "Urga"???
- >
- >In traditional Mongolian symbolism red is the colour associated with
- >the east. (I think the eastern quarters of the Mongolian tents used
- >to be painted red. I've forgotten what colours symbolised the other
- >three directions.) So "Red Hero" means `Eastern Hero'. Has the
- >country (or the capital) changed its location recently?
-
- Well, I guessed that "red" was used because of its communistic
- connotations.
-
- What about "Urga" then?
- In newsgroup alt.culture.tuva in article <24018@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>
- larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com (Larisa Stephan) writes:
-
- >In keeping with recent threads extending the Mongolian connections
- >of this newsgroup, I thought I would recommend the Russian film
- >"Close to Eden" (original title "Urga," meaning pole-mounted lasso).
- >...
-
- >-- Larisa
- >larisa@tcville.edsg.hac.com
-
- And then there's also Ulan-Ude, the capital of Burjatia, near Baikal...
-
- Now, because subject matter has not much to do with linguistics anymore,
- I have set the follow-ups only to alt.culture.tuva. (At least it's near
- Mongolia. What about alt/soc.culture.central-asia ?)
-
- --
- Antti Karttunen / karttu@mits.mdata.fi / $B%"%s%C%F%#!!%+%k%C%H%%%M%s(J
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