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- From: rbw3q@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU (Brad Whitehurst)
- Subject: Re: Lorenz' Weather
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.233804.19456@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- References: <1992Nov12.201358.3135@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> <1e7bmaINNslq@network.ucsd.edu>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:38:04 GMT
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- In article <1e7bmaINNslq@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes:
- >mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes:
- >: > dX/dt = a(Y-X)
- >: > dY/dt = bX-Y-XZ
- >: > dZ/dt = XY - cZ
- >: >
- >: > where a = 10
- >: > c = 8/3
- >: > b = control parameter (try 28)
- >:
- >: These are indeed the Lorenz equations (as they are now known) but
- >: these aren't the original weather simulation equations where Lorenz
- >: noticed sensitive dependence on initial conditions. Lorenz actually
- >: started out with some specialized version of the Navier-Stokes equation
- >: (a PDE) and noticed sensitive dependence in these equations under the conditions
- >: of his weather simulation. The Lorenz ODEs shown above are a truncation
- >: of the Navier-Stokes equation for the special case of (I think)
- >: Rayleigh-Benard convection under certain fairly restrictive conditions.
- >
- >There is a physical system for which the Lorenz equations are a
- >"not incredibly bad" approximation (to use them for simple R-B convection is a
- >"well that's really pretty cheezy" approximation).
- >
- >It's called a thermosyphon, and it actually gets used for some engineering
- >applications but I don't know how really.
- >
- >Think of a loop of pipe in an 'O' standing up vertically, like a bicycle
- >wheel, with fluid in the interior.
- >
- >Now, keep the walls on the bottom half of the "O" hot, and the
- >walls on the top half cold. Given enough of a temperature difference,
- >you can start to get convective motion of the fluid as it tries to
- >transport heat from hot to cold.
- >
- Quite a lot of solar heating systems were/are set up that
- way. They are not as high performance as forced circulation, but
- then, they don't have all the hardware, either. The cooling systems
- in some old engines were thermosyphon also. And any process where you
- are heating a vessel from the bottom could exhibit this behavior,
- couldn't they? (you'd have convection cells, rather than water
- running in a pipe, though)
-
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- Brad Whitehurst | Aerospace Research Lab
- rbw3q@Virginia.EDU | We like it hot...and fast.
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