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- From: andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor)
- Subject: rainforests and diversity
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- In article <STEINLY.92Nov13121933@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:
- >Not necessarily true, there was a recent paper in Nature I believe
- >that argued that rainforest diversity was overestimated and that
- >grasslands were actually more diverse.
-
- This seems unlikely. Certainly, in terms of raw species diversity rainforests
- are much richer. I would think they would be also richer in most other
- interesting measures of diversity. Particular groups, such as reptiles,
- may well be more diverse in grasslands. Do you have a ref. for the paper?
-
- >Most ecosystems vary considerably on evolutionary time
- >scales and the species within experience a range of conditions
- >to adapt to, further, the set of species which is critically
- >dependent on a particular feature of an ecosystem is small (although
- >they do make very nice examples for PBS specials), most adaptation
- >is incidentally appropriate to a range of conditions and species
- >can often occupy different niches as conditions change, sometimes
- >sub-optimally in some limited sense, sometimes they thrive, indeed may
- >do better than in the niche they evolved in.
-
- Your assertion is too vague and sweeping to evaluate but if you are trying
- to suggest that most *species* occupy niches with only a few critical
- variables and that hence we are under-estimating their ability to
- adapt to anthropogenic change, I think you are wrong.
-
- It is difficult to make statements about the set of all species.
- We neither know (to an order of a magnitude) how many species there are
- nor what proportions various groups are of these species. However, the work
- of Terry Erwin and others suggest there are a great number of tropical
- arthropod species each occurring only on a single species of tree.
- Erwin suggests there could be 30 million such arthropods, others
- believe 5-10 million may be more accurate.
-
- Whatever there number, these arthropods certainly constitute a significant
- fraction, if not the majority, of the world's species and clearly they are
- critically dependent on at least one eco-system feature, their tree.
-
- Arthropods specific to a tree species will only constitute a small
- fraction of the arthropod species that occur in that tree species but it is
- in this small fraction that the diversity lies.
-
- I think this will apply to other groups of species and other eco-systems.
- Most species in a particular location may occupy niches constrained in only
- a few variables but it will tend to be the few species (in that location)
- occupying heavily-constrained niches which are important to global diversity.
-
- The adaptability of tropical forest species is somewhat moot as the usual
- anthropogenic change is complete destruction of the forest. The burning
- question is how long can diversity persist in the islands of forest that
- remain (and the prognosis seems dim). In a few areas even this is a moot
- point as no forest at all remains.
-
- Andrew Taylor
-