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- From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Any info. on hydrogen power for cars??
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.191037.27362@cs.rochester.edu>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 19:10:37 GMT
- References: <1992Nov19.175417.10952@nmt.edu> <1992Nov20.194912.20986@cs.rochester.edu> <1992Nov23.122142.12256@bsu-ucs>
- Organization: University of Rochester
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- In article <1992Nov23.122142.12256@bsu-ucs> 01crmeyer@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Craig Meyer) writes:
-
- >> I have seen a projection that biomass-derived hydrogen is cheaper than
- >> electrolytic hydrogen for electricity prices greater than about
- >> $.02/kWh.
-
- > Are you saying that hydrogen from biomass sources can be produced at 2
- > cents? Not an insult--I just can't believe it!
-
- I don't understand what you are asking. Two cents per *what*?
-
- Do understand that chemical processes for making hydrogen are
- inherently more efficient than electrolytic processes, as the latter
- lose a great deal of energy in waste heat when making the electricity
- (and the electrolysis itself is only 70% efficient or so). It would
- make no sense, for example, to use coal or natural gas to make
- electricity to separate water; the direct thermochemical approach is
- more efficient.
-
-
- >> Any of these reforming processes can benefit from a source of process
- >> heat. High temperature nuclear reactors (liquid metal or high
- >> temperature gas cooled reactors) would do nicely. This would
- >> be a more efficient use of the reactor's thermal energy than production
- >> of electricity for conventional electrolysis.
- >
- >I suppose the same goes for solar-thermal plants, eh?
- >Or are the very high temperatures necessary?
-
- Even lower temperature help some -- one could preheat incoming air or
- fuel, for example. However, heat from solar thermal remains much more
- expensive than nuclear heat (which, in turn, is more expensive than
- heat from fossil sources). Moreover, being unsteady (both diurnally
- and seasonally) it would make poor use of the capital involved in the
- rest of the plant. You want to run the gasifier around the clock, so
- it can be smaller. Biomass, at least, has the advantage of supplying
- a built-in storage medium.
-
- Paul F. Dietz
- dietz@cs.rochester.edu
-