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- From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
- Subject: Re: Any info. on hydrogen power for cars??
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.235707.20788@michael.apple.com>
- Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
- References: <1992Nov17.205815.6068@engage.pko.dec.com> <1992Nov19.175417.10952@nmt.edu> <51531@seismo.CSS.GOV>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:57:07 GMT
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- In article <51531@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov19.175417.10952@nmt.edu>, houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle) writes:
-
- >Actually, electrolysis is not required. Hydrogen can be generated pretty
- >efficiently just using heat and chemical reactions. I did this in high school
- >15 years ago and showed that a series of reactions which reproduced the
- >starting chemicals and split water in the process would actually work.
-
- OK, so now you've got us all wondering. What Were The Reactions?!!!
-
- (Gads... drop a teaser like than and leave us hanging... the nerve ;-)
-
- >> I personally think that biomass fuels are more likely to be used
- >> in a sustainable economy -- with fuel cells, one could get very close to
- >> zero emission (some CO2 gets released, but it was just removed from
- >> the atmosphere in the past few years, so this doesn't contribute to
- >
- >Yeah, but the fuel cells probably produce some sort of foul acidic sludge that
- >must be dealt with if they are fed raw biomass. If the bimass is first conerted
- >to alcohol or methane, then the convertor produces sludge. Hopefully,
- >the sludge could be converted to fertilizer.
-
- No conversion needed. The output of a methane digester is wonderful
- fertilizer. If you want to go the alcohol route, you have a couple of
- choices. Garden variety fermentation of grains yields a sludge that
- is great for animal feed ('distillers mash' or some such name). Using
- the Tricodermata Veridae (sp?) mold on cellulosic material to get sugar
- sludge that is fermented to ethanol and are back to a distillers junk
- type of left over (lower in cellulose, but higher in other stuff).
-
- If you go real high tech, and don't use a yeast ferment for the sugar
- to ethanol step, you might get some jucky stuff, but that approach
- usually benefits from a clean feed stock, so I'd expect the sugar
- to be separated from the other junk prior to reaction... I don't
- know what sludges you would get in this case.
- --
-
- E. Michael Smith ems@apple.COM
-
- 'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has
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