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- From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
- Subject: Big Rigs (was Re: Continuing Steam-Car Discussion)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.232350.16638@michael.apple.com>
- Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
- References: <1992Nov17.180135.25760@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1992Nov18.192113.12389@ke4zv.uucp> <1992Nov19.090350.12088@bsu-ucs>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:23:50 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.090350.12088@bsu-ucs> 01crmeyer@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Craig Meyer) writes:
-
- (the attribution for the included material was not present ...)
-
- >> That's hard to say. The very best superheat compound cycle steam plants
- >> have an efficiency of around 50% while the best IC engines have an
- >> efficiency around 28%. To approach a big compound plant in a car though,
- >> that would be really tough. I'd *guess* from what I've read that the
- >> steam plant would be about 30% worse than the IC plant for the same
- >> peak horsepower. One thing should be noted, however, the characteristics
- >> of the two engines are wildly different and a lower peak horsepower steam
- >> plant should offer the same driving characteristics as a bigger IC plant.
- >
- >That looks like a prescription for delivery vehicles & buses.
- >
- >Big-rigs would be big business, though.
-
- This prompts me to mention: Trains in the US are often diesel/electric.
- Why are their no hybrid trucks? I'd expect that the electric generator
- and motor(s) would be no larger than the present (what 15 speed?)
- transmissions and differentials.
-
- Why not an externally fired steam turbine driving a generator/motor set?
- What about steam turbine/generator technology makes it unsuited to something
- of the scale of an 18 wheel truck?
-
- >>>3. Given a closed system is there a better choice of working fluid than
- >>>water (Something that wouldn't freeze, and could act as a lubricant.)
- >>
- >> Higher molecular weight fluids wouldn't
- >> develop as much pressure at the same temperature in a dynamic system.
-
- More than just molecular weight determines vapor pressure! (i.e. things
- like hydrogen bonding...)
-
- >News flash, folks:
- >Was leafing through a different book, trying to learn more about steam engines,
- >and there was a little paragraph about a automotive plant that used "an organic
- >fluid several times heavier than water" as a working fluid, which made for
- >"a smaller power plant."
- >
- >I wonder just what it was!
-
- Hmmm, me too!
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- E. Michael Smith ems@apple.COM
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